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New Spa Graphics + utility

Andreas Uffinge

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Andreas Uffinge » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Hey Matt!

Is it possible, your add-ons slow down Frame - rate?

It runs very well on my system (Cel. 333, Vodoo2, 128 MB,...). after
installing, the frame rate drops after 1 or 2 laps down to 8-12 fps !

Andreas

Andreas Uffinge

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Andreas Uffinge » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Hei John

You can visit the "feminine" tack anytime and drive around (so i did),
without spending money for that. Its not so legal but nobody takes care!
(O.K. sometimes some cops :-o )

Ahh - But beware of the bikes ;-)

Andreas

John Walla

New Spa Graphics + utility

by John Walla » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:52:03 +0100, "Harald Boers"


>Isn't Spa public road? When I visited the track 10 years ago I drove a
>couple of laps around there. Ya just have to look out for oncoming traffic
>and cops<g>

Much of Spa is public road, the part from La Source up to Les Combes
and then from the Blanchimont section back through to La Source.
However, on a few weekends per year the roads are closed. One is for
the F1 weekend, another is for the public driving weekend (possibly
others for F3 events etc).

Cheers!
John

John Walla

New Spa Graphics + utility

by John Walla » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:26:30 +0100, Matthew Knutsen


>It was changed - but it was easy to see the old "track" - maybe it has been filled
>out/overgrown now.

No, that sounds like it was when I visited. The line of the old track
could be seen through the shape of the surrounding scenery, but the
track itself had been lightly covered over and the new road twisted
more tightly through there.

Oh I dunno, it would be a novelty! I saw everything from SEAT to
Subaru, from Ferrari to Fiesta. There seemed to be little or no
restriction on the car you could drive, although I daresay a Rockwood
camper might raise a few eyebrows!

The problems you find are actually very similar to what professional
racers say about Le Mans - inexperienced drivers often don't see you
or don't know how or where to let someone pass, and the huge
difference in performance between the fastest and slowest cars means
the closure rates can be huge!

Cheers!
John

David Ewin

New Spa Graphics + utility

by David Ewin » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00


> > - Spa is the greatest F1 circuit today, IMO.

> I think its the only real track (o.k. Monaco too), not like the other
> mickey mouse tracks! (Hate to see Hungary, Barcelona, the new
> Portugese-track, arrrg (do you remember AIDA ?! - oh my god!)

Don't forget Suzuka!  That's still a great track, despite that awful
chicane near the end.

Dave Ewing

Matthew Knutse

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Matthew Knutse » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00


> Hey Matt!

> Is it possible, your add-ons slow down Frame - rate?

> It runs very well on my system (Cel. 333, Vodoo2, 128 MB,...). after
> installing, the frame rate drops after 1 or 2 laps down to 8-12 fps !

> Andreas

Hmm, weird!
I've never seen that happen, nor have anybody reported such things...and,
no, It should not affect fps, because the new graphics are the same as
the old ones in size, colors etc...

Have you just dropped them in the track folder, or packed them into the
dat?

If anybody else have experienced this, I'd like to know; I was informed
by the guys at the Track editor project that it could not do anything to
FPS..because:

The first lap, the track details load into the RAM, the next lap, they
are "pulled out of memory, and not drawn again", so if your FPS drops on
the first lap, there may be a problem, buit if it happens after a while,
there is something else happening.

Does this happen at all tracks?

Thanks,

Matt

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Matthew Knutsen

"The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
http://home.sol.no/~kareknut/simrace1.htm
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Paul Jone

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Paul Jone » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

And the bus stop really is a bus stop! :-)
Cheers,
Paul

> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:52:03 +0100, "Harald Boers"

> >Isn't Spa public road? When I visited the track 10 years ago I drove a
> >couple of laps around there. Ya just have to look out for oncoming traffic
> >and cops<g>

> Much of Spa is public road, the part from La Source up to Les Combes
> and then from the Blanchimont section back through to La Source.
> However, on a few weekends per year the roads are closed. One is for
> the F1 weekend, another is for the public driving weekend (possibly
> others for F3 events etc).

> Cheers!
> John

Paul Jone

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Paul Jone » Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Well Eau Rouge is (red water - ***?) is still the same difficult section of
track and the modern Spa can still be described as fast and continues to provide
riveting F1 racing.  Any fool can drive fast on a straight in a sim - it's the
corners that separate the good drivers from the bad (I'm in the latter
category). Yeah, those old circuits were great but tracks like Nurburgring were
lethal - Nikki Lauda got that badly burned because it took so long to reach him.
Spa was a death trap. Monza too, and, bottle aside, is a lot harder to drive now
than the '67 version - look at all those cars straightlining the chicanes last
year and these are top racing drivers. Sure we can poke fun at the new safety
regulations from the security of our desktops but these guys are risking life
and limb and it's still difficult to drive faster than the rest of the field on
the new circuits. Some tracks, like Silverstone, have argueably been improved -
the '67 circuit has a touch of "samey" about all the corners, whereas the modern
one mixes it up a bit. IMO, some of the modern circuits are masterpieces.
Suzuka, for example, even with the chicane going into the home straight. And
Monaco is great? Spectators can't see it well, drivers can't overtake and most
of the cars fail to finish most years - what's it got that's so good? - oh yes,
money, history and it's where all the drivers live. The last few Monaco F1 races
have been mediocre certainly in comparison to this years Canadian, British,
French, German. Italian, Argentinian and Belgian races. The '67 Zandvoort and
'68 Rouen circuits are tremendous circuits as are most of the others and GPL is
a great (no, truely great) sim and I like the fast circuits like Monza and Spa
because I'm crap, but it doesn't mean that the modern circuits or modern F1 are
bad. Which explains my enduring interest in MGPRS2 - I want to drive on the
modern circuits in something a bit like the modern cars. I would love for Papy
to do a modern F1 sim, then MGP would come off my hard disk but, until then, I'm
back on it in March for the start of the 1999 Formula 1 season.
Cheers,
Paul


> > : Wer're talking about the "old" or "real" Spa here :-)

> > : At the point where the modern, feminine F1 ballerina turns right off the
> > : straight, the real guys of the 60s were keeping it down!

> >   (Grin) Well, that's one way of looking at it.  The GPL track seems a
> > LOT easier to me than the modern one in F1RS or GP2.  (Which is not to
> > say that the 60s cars are easier, they aint - I just think you'd have a
> > lot more difficult a time if the modern track were in GPL).

> Well, yes - but I was thinking of the fear factor involved in those
> days..imagine hitting a house at 120 MPH versus the "kittylitter" :-)
> I enjoyed the track in GP2 - Spa is the greatest F1 circuit today, IMO.

> Cheers,

> Matt

> --
> -----------------------------------------
> Matthew Knutsen

> "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~kareknut/simrace1.htm
> -----------------------------------------

Matthew Knutse

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Matthew Knutse » Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:00:00


> Well Eau Rouge is (red water - ***?) is still the same difficult section of
> track and the modern Spa can still be described as fast and continues to provide
> riveting F1 racing.

Yeah, like I said, one of the best in the Modern F1 calendar!

Yup, but how satisfying it is when you learn how to do those corners! I thought I
had a good grip
on Spa in GPL, until I did a league race, and the leaders were fighting doing 1.19s
versus my 1.22s! So I studied their lines, and voila:)

Agree to the full - but one is allowed to be a bit "romantic"?

Yup, but remember, if the tracks were death traps, what were the cars? Suicide
machines...

Err, I think Suzuka and Spa and Canada are real circuits. As for the others, any
british club circuit
is far more interesting :) You should have been to the old Mondello Park Boss race,
and witness F1 cars struggling to beat Formula Opel Lotus (with good drivers, yeah!)

Agree, Monaco is just a pic of the modern F1--all glam...

Well, here's to CART 3 ! 8)

Matt



> > > : Wer're talking about the "old" or "real" Spa here :-)

> > > : At the point where the modern, feminine F1 ballerina turns right off the
> > > : straight, the real guys of the 60s were keeping it down!

> > >   (Grin) Well, that's one way of looking at it.  The GPL track seems a
> > > LOT easier to me than the modern one in F1RS or GP2.  (Which is not to
> > > say that the 60s cars are easier, they aint - I just think you'd have a
> > > lot more difficult a time if the modern track were in GPL).

> > Well, yes - but I was thinking of the fear factor involved in those
> > days..imagine hitting a house at 120 MPH versus the "kittylitter" :-)
> > I enjoyed the track in GP2 - Spa is the greatest F1 circuit today, IMO.

> > Cheers,

> > Matt

> > --
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Matthew Knutsen

> > "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~kareknut/simrace1.htm
> > -----------------------------------------

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Matthew Knutsen

"The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~kareknut/simrace1.htm
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Paul Jone

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Paul Jone » Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:00:00


> Err, I think Suzuka and Spa and Canada are real circuits. As for the others, any
> british club circuit
> is far more interesting :) You should have been to the old Mondello Park Boss race,
> and witness F1 cars struggling to beat Formula Opel Lotus (with good drivers, yeah!)

Absolutely Matt! Silverstone is flat and few of the corners are linked even with the
modern revamp. Why does it get chosen to host the British Grand Prix year after year
when there are so many much more interesting circuits in Britain - many of which have
the facilities to host a Grand Prix - eg. Brands Hatch, Donnington Park, Oulton Park etc
etc. Another Bernie Ecclestone fix up deal perchance?
Cheers,
Paul
Graeme Nas

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Graeme Nas » Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:00:00

You read Autosport lately Paul? The British GP could be back to Brands
by 2001...... Which would sort me out since the place is about 20
minutes drive from my home :-)

Cheers!
Graeme Nash


http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
ICQ# 11257824

1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Matthew Knutse

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Matthew Knutse » Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:00:00



> > Err, I think Suzuka and Spa and Canada are real circuits. As for the others, any
> > british club circuit
> > is far more interesting :) You should have been to the old Mondello Park Boss race,
> > and witness F1 cars struggling to beat Formula Opel Lotus (with good drivers, yeah!)

> Absolutely Matt! Silverstone is flat and few of the corners are linked even with the
> modern revamp. Why does it get chosen to host the British Grand Prix year after year
> when there are so many much more interesting circuits in Britain - many of which have
> the facilities to host a Grand Prix - eg. Brands Hatch, Donnington Park, Oulton Park etc
> etc. Another Bernie Ecclestone fix up deal perchance?
> Cheers,
> Paul

Remember Senna's drive on lap 1 of the Wet Euro GP at Donington? Wouldn't have been the same
at Silverstone...
no Craner Curves ...

Here's to Brands getting the GP, I may go back across the pond to catch it, last time I was
at the Brit GP
was in 86 at Brands (yikes! that long ago??)

Matt

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Matthew Knutsen

"The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
http://home.sol.no/~kareknut/simrace1.htm
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Richard G Cleg

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Richard G Cleg » Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:00:00

: Absolutely Matt! Silverstone is flat and few of the corners are linked
: even with the modern revamp. Why does it get chosen to host the
: British Grand Prix year after year when there are so many much more
: interesting circuits in Britain - many of which have the facilities
: to host a Grand Prix - eg. Brands Hatch, Donnington Park, Oulton Park etc
: etc. Another Bernie Ecclestone fix up deal perchance?

  You are surely joking here?  Brands and Donnington could maybe be
bought up to GP standard (they used to be GP standard when GP standard
was much more lax) but Oulton?  It's a great circuit but most of it is
not wide enough for 2 F1 cars side by side even if they were
co-operating.  Where exactly would the overtaking spot be?  Touring Cars
and F3s find it hard to pass at Oulton. Add to that the fact that for
the Touring Cars this year the congestion going into Oulton was terrible
- for a GP you'd have to set off driving the previous week.  The average
city inner-ring road would be a more suitable F1 venue than Oulton.
Which is not to say it's not a great circuit - it is - but not for F1.

  Incidentally, did you see Autosport this week?  Bernie saying that
Silverstone does not have a god given right to the British GP and he'll
move it to Brands if they don't improve things.

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Ed Szub

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Ed Szub » Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Sorry to be a pessimist, but it's a bit hard to view...  :-)

Try :
http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/GetPageByXY.asp?XId=8926&YId=134...
d=2&ImgDate=05/19/1992&ImgSize=1&DSize=0

The locale comes out as...  Eau Rouge, Belgie

Regards,
Ed S.

Martin Portman ...
id=u40aa6oa4704ccev&randon=301&link=ia-map-result

Andreas Uffinge

New Spa Graphics + utility

by Andreas Uffinge » Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:00:00

 Hey Matt!

Just dropped!

I have to check! Sure: Zandvoort.

Andreas


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