Oh come on. Next thing you'll tell us that people shouldn't be talking
on their cell phones while driving GPL.
;-)
Seriously, that's what I meant to say, watch the traffic. Thanks for
the correction.
Joe McGinn
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Given that they are more destruction derby than sprint, that's not
always the case. I just finished 3rd out of 17 in a Pro 11-lapper at
Monza. started last in the grid and was slow as all hell - but avoided
the accidents.
Joe McGinn
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Joe McGinn
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Secondly, you make it all sound so utterly simple, just do this that
and the other and you'll be clear. The problem is that not everyone
has an equal definition of what is a safe distance, what exactly
consists of braking early, and what exactly is the effective but safe
rate of deceleration. Your definition may be painfully slow compared
to the hotshoe who jumped into the race with less than a minute of
qualifying and just wants to get to the front where it his is 'destiny'
to be or it may be rather fast for the relative novice who just got a
really good start off of the line and managed to get in front of you.
The only way you get that precious experience and knowledge is by
racing against people you know over and over again. Until that point,
calling someone a moron isn't really productive. They know what they
did and in general they will make a note of it and try not to do it again.
Given that we don't have junior series to weed out the truly moronic
I'm afraid that is the best we can hope for with respect to the online
pick-up races.
Tell the AI drivers that. :-) Sadly many of us are conditioned by our
offline battles against the AI drivers to accept nothing short of braking
on the limit. So the first few times we go online ... crash!
Perhaps you are correct now, but I'm afraid the gap between all
drivers will slowly decrease such that losing a position at the
start means you have lost a position for good. In other words
I expect it to get worse rather than better.
That is true, but I think the funnel down into a single line is the problem
though, not the actual braking for the corner that takes place after that
(or worse at a place like Mosport or The Glen were there just isn't
time to funnel down to a single line).
Human nature Arne, this is racing, everybody wants to go fast and take
the checkered flag. If we wanted to do something safe we would have
taken up curling. :-)
Seriously, there is nothing to be gained by crashing as you explained above
so I'm not sure why you and others think that 'they' (even if just on a
subconscious level) don't do everything within reason to avoid it. In
the large majority of replays I have gone over I have found it very
hard to second guess my fellow drivers (excluding myself of course
with whom I always find something to blame).
- George
> But if another car occupies the space I just left for myself then I
> am back in the position I was trying to avoid - namely riding the
> exhaust of another car. So what can I do then, continually back
> off until I am at the back of the grid?
What we're talking about here (well I am at least ;-) is T1 accidents.
You race the other cars until you get fairly close to T1, but when you
get there you brake much earlier than usual, but not as hard (also a
good idea to let off the throttle a little before you start braking to
give warning to the cars behind, don't want to be hit :-). If the gap to
the car infront increases let off the brake a little, to maintain a safe
distance.
Under braking no one will put their car in-between your car and the car
infront. A car on your side might gain a position by doing this and
manage to put his car in-between when you enter the corner, ok one
position lost, but you're unlikely to lose more than that.
And personally I find it much better to lose one or even two positions
at the start, as if I'm faster I will probably repass them again,
instead of ending up in an accident and losing say 10 seconds (and
that's if you're lucky!) to all the cars ahead even though that pesky
car behind you won't gain a position :-)
I prefer to look at it the other way, with the short races it's much
more important not to crash at the start because you don't have enough
laps to make up for the lost time of a crash!
But if there's only one line you should have no fear of being overtaken
even if you let up a little to create a gap to the car infront?
Happens from time to time, but an amazingly high amount of those
accidents can be avoided as well by being careful.
I don't say people enjoy the accidents, but I certainly think people can
do more to avoid them! It's more like they just hope they won't be
involved in an accident, and if they are they comfort themselves in that
"it was nothing I could have done to avoid it", even if they probably
could by being more careful.
--
Arne Martin
> >Given that nearly every
> >online pick-up race is a sprint race (where are all the GP races?)
> >a good start is a clear prerequisite to finishing high up in the
> >order.
> Given that they are more destruction derby than sprint, that's not
> always the case. I just finished 3rd out of 17 in a Pro 11-lapper at
> Monza. started last in the grid and was slow as all hell - but avoided
> the accidents.
--
Arne Martin
>% >Is it possible that people are slowing down early to avoid the carnage
>AHEAD of
>% >them...?
>% Very possible. I can't count the number of times I've been rammed [by
>% someone not watching the road] when I slow down to avoid a T1
>% accident.
>No, No, No! We don't want them watching the road. That is usually the
>cause of the problems. They need to be watching the "traffic" in front
>of the car(s) they are following. These ramming and pile-ups usually
>happen because the rammer is only watching the track directly in between
>them and the car ahead of them. It's a case of needing to be a "pilot",
>"situational awareness". It seems that instead of being pilots, they
>are being engineers (ala trains, where you just stick to the rails and
>don't have to worry much about traffic).
Eldred
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Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea...
remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
: I don't mean for you to stop! Just let off slightly, brake a little
: earlier or whatever to make sure you can avoid hitting the car infront
: even if he brakes more than you expect.
Surely this is a recipe for the guy behind you to hit you. "Well,
he seemed to brake a little earlier than he would normally."
--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.
www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html
> : I don't mean for you to stop! Just let off slightly, brake a little
> : earlier or whatever to make sure you can avoid hitting the car infront
> : even if he brakes more than you expect.
> Surely this is a recipe for the guy behind you to hit you. "Well,
> he seemed to brake a little earlier than he would normally."
Usually I will let off the throttle a little before I start braking for
real that way the car behind will get a warning that I'm about to start
braking and if doesn't he's going to inspect my exhaust very closely :-)
Everyone can't brake as late as normal during the start of the race
anyway so I expect drivers following to be on the lookout for cars
starting to brake early...
And one thing that helps me is that since I braked early, if the car
behind seems about to hit me I can let off the brake a little so he
won't, and still slow enough to make the corner :-)
--
Arne Martin
