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by Jo » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I agree Tim. There have been incidents that pissed me off, and then
once I'd cooled down I realized it was just an honest mistake, or
maybe a mistake on both drivers parts.

But like you I get very irritated at being rear-ended. Occasionaly, in
tight quarters, this is inevitable, you're following someone and get a
touch too close. But 95% of them are the result of pure recklessness.
Either 1st lap craziness, not watching the road, or hotlappers so
impatient to pass that they ram you even when you pull over to let
them pass (this last one REALLY drives me crazy).

Joe McGinn
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by **Chris Schlette** » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Shit happens, but deliberate ramming is NOT "shit happening" either. Nor is
not using your head at starts and trying to win the race on the first couple
of corners.

by **Philste** » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I agree with this, but it's a reality with all online racing games. When
I started racing on TEN (Nascar 2), I had the same problems with pick up
races. Joining a league helps a lot. Imposing a skill system would be
gould also. That way, you can only join races which correspond to your
skill. After a while (after you obtain some experience), you won't be
stuck with morons anymore: you will race with experienced drivers and
even experienced drivers make mistake from time to time. I only wish the
upcoming N3 will have some sort of ranking system.

Philster

by **Tim** » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yeah but.. I HAVE HIT OTHER DRIVERS, and so have you, don't come back with
any bullshit of you never make mistakes, we have all done something to
another driver (whether to this day we know about it or not) that were
wrong, last person I hit was 'Rick Wetchaser' on VROC, we were racing at
rouen and coming to break for the lefthander with the bales on the right, I
got too much of a powerslide out of the previous corner, and slid accross
the track onto the grass opposite, then i slid along the grass and hit his
side as he turned into the corner, totally my fault, but with the realism of
GPL, being 100% a perfect driver is not an easy task, really the accident
could of never happened, had my wheels not been on the grass, I wouldn't of
spun, they were - i did.

or put shorter...

Again, Shit happens.

by **Hot Pant** » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Nothing I have to say in this post is news to anyone with 3 IQ digits
>to rub together. And I suspect it's not relevent for the vast majority
>of r.a.s. regulars. But I need to get it off my chest.

>Yeah yeah, I know. Join a league for clean racing. That's true, and I
>will, but in the meantime I want to practice against live opponents.

>There are a number of VERY basic blunders that can only be classified
>as idiotic that people continually make. Some suggestions (in order of
>importance):

>1. DON'T try to pass ANYONE in the first two-three corners. Everyone
>can see the obvious sense in this idea, but so few practice it.

Ever actually seen a modern F1 race? It's AFTER the first 2-3 corners that
passing is forbidden! ;->

Hot Pants

by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

In the F3 races, I tend to follow someone till I find the right place
to pass. A lot of the time it's the same place the slower car decides
to pull off the line to allow me to pass. What ends up happening is I
rear end him because he pulled over right into my path.

I got so POed at people that told everyone else that when they are slow
they *must* pull off the line to give the faster driver room to pass.
That statement is 100% wrong. The faster driver, If he is any good,
will find the right place to pass and pass safely. Besides that,
neither of us learn anything.. I need practice following, and the slower
car need practice being followed.

Mike
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by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> I got so POed at people that told everyone else that when they are slow
>they *must* pull off the line to give the faster driver room to pass.
>That statement is 100% wrong. The faster driver, If he is any good,
>will find the right place to pass and pass safely.

I agree completely. The faster driver is also more *capable* of going
off the line without losing it. Nothing I hate more than some fast
driver pushing up behind me, expecting to get off the natural line ...
sorry, but if I do that I'm toast for sure! I have enough trouble
keeping the damn thing on the road when a *am* on the line.

Joe McGinn
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>1. DON'T try to pass ANYONE in the first two-three corners. Everyone
>can see the obvious sense in this idea, but so few practice it. It's
>at the point where I wish GPL had a feature to penalize/boot anyone
>not following this rule, or pace laps or something.

This one is never going to happen. I think it's too much to ask that someone
stay BEHIND someone who got a bad jump off the line - especially at someplace
like Monza, where there's a long run to T2. Although, MOST intelligent people
should be able to modify/hold their line through the first corner. I, for one,
would rather drift wide and/or slow down a bit and lose a spot, than defend my
line and put two or more people out...

Eldred

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>I'd like to add a point....

>1bis) know where the breaking point for T1 is when starting from grid. Most
>people know where it is coming out of the pits or when starting another lap,
>but seem to have no grasp of where they need to brake when arriving from a
>standing start. I've had to swerve on many occasion for people full on the
>binders when I hadn't even thought about braking (early) for T1.

Is it possible that people are slowing down early to avoid the carnage AHEAD of
them...?

Eldred

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by **Markus Stiepe** » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

50% agreed.........there's 2 kinds of situations: a.) very slow guy (A) who
really isn't firm on the specific track being followed by a fast guy (B),
and b.) two drivers, of which one is *slightly* faster.
While in a.) it shouldn't be a big deal for the B to overtake offline due to
the overall speed-difference, in b.) we need the support of the A to help
getting passed in such a matter: B *must* follow for at least one lap to
study A, while A *must* study B, then he must use a curve where he has
learnt that he is definitely slower, approach it *slightly* slower than
usual, take the inside-line at the apex, and now: STAY on the inside-line!!
That way, B knows by the slower approach than in the previous lap, that
something unusual is going on, and can, as he sees A staying on the inside,
use his normal driving-line in the form of letting himself being carried to
the outside after the apex, thus building up enough speed to overtake
safely. I hope this is understandable, very early in Germany atm :))
Of course, there is 1 more situation, c.) 2 guys (sorry, I have yet to race
a girl besides Alison:(( ) who are equaly matched as well as safe and fair,
here we got ourselves a *real* race where it comes down to: Who makes the
first slight mistake, who can stand the pressure, who can apply the most
pressure.........this is what makes this simulation ROCK'n'RULE :))))))
cya on track, Mike, maybe you will come back to F1's one day, in fact,
having drivers of category *c*, it provides the same amount of fun as these
........hmmm...... forgot :)
Markus

by **Remco Moe** » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>> I got so POed at people that told everyone else that when they are slow
>>they *must* pull off the line to give the faster driver room to pass.
>>That statement is 100% wrong. The faster driver, If he is any good,
>>will find the right place to pass and pass safely.

>I agree completely. The faster driver is also more *capable* of going
>off the line without losing it. Nothing I hate more than some fast
>driver pushing up behind me, expecting to get off the natural line ...
>sorry, but if I do that I'm toast for sure! I have enough trouble
>keeping the damn thing on the road when a *am* on the line.

If you're being lapped, you should move over. If not, then it is the
driver behind who should find a way to pass you safely. I believe
there is a word for it, errrr, oh yeah, racing.....

Remco

by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Is it possible that people are slowing down early to avoid the carnage AHEAD of
>them...?

Very possible. I can't count the number of times I've been rammed [by
someone not watching the road] when I slow down to avoid a T1
accident.

Actually I've taken to deliberately letting the pack pass me at the
beginning now. I'm not the fastest racer so it means I have no chance
of winning. But I can usually avoid the T1/T2 carnage (although morons
speeding back on to the track while still
out of control is a problem) but you'd be amazed how often I finish in
the top three with the "slow and steady" approach.

Joe McGinn
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by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>If you're being lapped, you should move over. If not, then it is the
>driver behind who should find a way to pass you safely. I believe
>there is a word for it, errrr, oh yeah, racing.....

Good point. And I will move over if I actually get a blue flag (as
when being lapped). The lapper needs to wait for me to find a safe
place (i.e., usually after a turn) but actually that's not a problem.
The people fast enough to lap me are usually sane, courteous drivers -
the "mad dash to win in the first half lap" types never even seem to
finish a race, let alone lap anybody.

Joe McGinn
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by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Of course, there is 1 more situation, c.) 2 guys (sorry, I have yet to race
>a girl besides Alison:(( ) who are equaly matched as well as safe and fair,
>here we got ourselves a *real* race where it comes down to: Who makes the
>first slight mistake, who can stand the pressure, who can apply the most
>pressure.........this is what makes this simulation ROCK'n'RULE :))))))

Good post. One more question/situation: what about when you're in the
last half-lap of the race and someone's trying to pass you for
position. Is blocking considered poor sportsmanship in this one
situation or is it expected?

Joe McGinn
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by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>This one is never going to happen. I think it's too much to ask that someone
>stay BEHIND someone who got a bad jump off the line - especially at someplace
>like Monza, where there's a long run to T2.

Maybe so. I've taken to deliberately qualifying in last race and/or
letting the pack pass me before I start up. Since I can't take the
pole it's the only way to avoid T1/2 carnage.

Joe McGinn
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