rec.autos.simulators

Cheerz,

Dave Bowers.

Go chevys,
Mike

        I don't like dragging F1 discussion into rec.autos.simulators, but
how do you figure that '94 was a better season?  '94 was probably the
WORST season in recent F1 history!  Senna died, the tracks were castrated,
there was not one overtaking move for the lead done on the track, there
was not a single close race aside from Suzuka and Adelaide, and the only
competition between Hill and Schumacher was because of FIA rulings.  
        With all the good races this year, '95 would have been a great
season to simulate.  It's true that Schumacher's won over half of the
races, but at least he's had to fight for them (unlike the +1:30 finishes
of early '94).

: Microprose have done an excellent job judging by the looks of things
: and I for one can't wait to play it. Good work Mr. Crammond!!

        Me too.

Martin
Nigel Mansell RIP!

You cant beat F1 in any way OK?

Depends if you're talking about the real thing or the game.  Yep, there's
not a lot of close racing in real life F1GP anymore, but in the game, I've
had plenty of close races (and finishes).  Try a race at Monza and just
watch as for lap after lap the computer cars slip-stream each other and
swap places down the straights.  If it doesn't happen on your copy of the
game, then you obviously have different car/driver performance settings
to me.

Seeya,

Steve.

|> >> there was not a single close race <<
|> In my opinion there never is a close race in F1GP,

What planet are you living on? The '95 Belgium GP is indeed the best ever.
With Hill and Schumacher battling for first place in the wet, Hill with
wet tires and Schumacher with slick tires...

|> if you want close
|> racing then you have to watch NASCAR, it dont get any closer!

***-CAR? The series where cars run around in circles?
Yeah... three or four caution laps every 20 laps or so, to bunch up everybody
and create some "close" racing... IMO this is not racing. If you want to see
cars closely bunched up, look into your local supermarket's parking lot.
They are indeed real close. But there is no real racing.

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Isaac Wong      (613) 763-6127 | Protel Compiler Group (Helpline ESN 395-4009)


http://www.racesimcentral.net/~iwong | Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

MC> >> there was not a single close race <<

MC> if you want close racing then you have to watch NASCAR, it dont get
MC> any closer!

Naaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!! This is a mindless-four-wheel view.....lets get a
REAL racing sim ....... 250cc GP  or Superbikes!

__T_H_A_T_'_S__ RACING!!!

B-)

Cheers!

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|> The thing with both Indy and F1GP racing. is the are both computer
|> races. The team who can set their computer to control the car the best,
|> will win. With NASCAR, the DRIVER controls the shifting, the throttle,
|> the brakes...A REAL driver/team series!!

Huh? Are we talking about the same thing? How can someone compare real
NASCAR series with Indycar, and real Formula One? I thought NASCAR only
run around in circles and only use the brakes when they need to avoid
hitting somebody and to make pit stops. Do NASCAR drivers change gears
a lot? I suppose not... I thought they use the same gear throughout most
of the race... Perhaps the driver is there to put his right foot on the
throttle and his two hands on the steering wheel, and sit there for a couple
of hours driving around in circles...

Have you ever seen wet races in F1 BTW? It is the ultimate test of drivers'
guts and skills.

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Isaac Wong      (613) 763-6127 | Protel Compiler Group (Helpline ESN 395-4009)


http://chat.carleton.ca/~iwong | Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

Errr... right!! So there isn't any auto-brake and automatic gear option
in NASCAR Racing? It's easier in NASCAR because there's only 4 gears
whereas in the other two there's 6.
The main annoyance with both NASCAR and Indycar in my mind is full course
yellows on any track but particularly ovals. God.. it makes the race so
boring (as if ovals were interesting to start with).

: Mike

What?!?  

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|> Hmmm... Isaac, I'm sorry to point this out but it would appear that if
|> someone on this planet is clueless about Nascar, then it is you.. your
|> claim about Nascar drivers not shifting gears and not using brakes is,
|> to be honest, completely ridiculous. After I got Nascar Racing, my eyes
|> were opened; Nascar is, possibly, the most challenging and competitive sport
|> on the planet. Obviously you have never raced on an oval, or at least have
|> not raced enough ---> Nascar racing seems stupid to many people because it
|> is so different, but I tell you: there is no sport in my knowledge which
|> demands as much skill, cunning, and pure _ability_ if you want to win.
|> Money, unlike in so many other sports, won't make much a difference, since
|> the rules force the cars to be almost equal.. I once saw a Nascar race
|> where the winner started 44th on the grid. That tell you something? Would
|> this be possible in F1?

I admit that I am clueless about NASCAR, since I just hate watching it on
TV, not to mention playing it on the computer. But I think you are just
about as clueless as I am in terms of things about F1. If you think F1 is
less demanding, I am sure many people will immediately point it out, that
you are dead wrong. F1 demands the most physical strength from the drivers,
if you know how much g-force they suffer throughout the 2 hour race. F1 also
demands the most concentration from the drivers, if you know they don't have
caution laps very often (maybe once or twice in a year?). All the drivers
go flat out and try to gain split seconds in every corner.

If you think that the richest team in F1 wins the most races, then I again
point it out to you, you are wrong again. McLaren is among one of the richest
team in the sport, however they are not winning for two seasons.

If you watch F1 races occasionally and think that the drivers seem to cruise
around without difficulties, then you are wrong again. Because they are the
best drivers in the world. They possess the highest driving skills among all
auto sports. F1 is the ultimate challenge. I really urge you to look at wet
races in F1, then you will never, ever turn back and watch NASCAR again.

|> I once saw a Nascar race
|> where the winner started 44th on the grid. That tell you something? Would
|> this be possible in F1?

Anything can happen in real life sports. That doesn't prove NASCAR is more
superior to F1. F1 doesn't have more than 26 runners. I am sure many F1 fans
can also raise a lot of examples about why F1 is more superior.

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Isaac Wong      (613) 763-6127 | Protel Compiler Group (Helpline ESN 395-4009)


http://chat.carleton.ca/~iwong | Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

[snip]
  You mean that Nascar drivers dont go through all of this!  Give me a
break all racing requires alot of concentration from the drivers.  All
racing puts G forcer on their drivers,  you obviously dont realise how
much g-forces are put on a driver in a high bank race track.  
  You are saying Nascar drivers dont go flat out!  Nascar drivers go
flat out all the time just like F1 drivers do.  Just because there are
yellow in Nascar doesnt mean Nascar drivers dont go through what F1
drivers have to.  I am sure both forms of racing require just as much
from the driver.  
  Nascar needs yellow to clean up after a wreck because there is so
much close racing there would be no safe time to clean it up except
during a yellow.

  Does a team with half the money of McLaren, or any other big buck
team in F1, ever win a race?  Enough said!

  I dont think any real driver just cruises around the track without
difficulties whether it be Nascar, F1 or Indycar.  They all require a
lot out of the driver if that driver wants to be successful.
  What kind of experience do you have to say F1 is the ultimate
challenge?  Nascar and F1 are totally two different sports and each of
them are a challenge to who ever drives in them.  According to you,
any F1 driver can jump right in to a Nascar car and blow away
everyone.  I really doubt that this would happen, maybe after they get
the experience but not right at first.  But then again if you are a
great driver then you could go from Nascar to F1 or F1 to Nascar and
be a champion.
 Instead of putting down a sport you obviously dont know much about,
try and understand it first!  A real race fan can watch any form of
racing and atleast respect the fact the it is a challenge in its on
respect.   You just cant say one is more demanding thant the other
because you dont have any experience in neither.  You do have the
right though to enjoy one over the other and respect they fact that
someone else might enjoy something different!

All racing is great,
Mike

HH> Yeah, I find ovals a total bore and snore

Mmmmm. This man seems to have some sense.

HH> Ah well, at least GP Motorcycle races still hold my interest.

I was right - another fan of _REAL_ racing!!! All this gob about ovals
vs tracks, NASCAR vs ICR vs F1 misses the point. For a genuine racing
sim we need a 250cc GP simulator.....very close racing, skill
predominating, clean riding, exciting viewing......it's got everything
except the sim!

Papyrus? Crammond?

B-)

Cheers!

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I think you can be more precise than I :)

I'm not saying NASCAR isn't challenging, but with all respect I think
that DRIVING a formula one car FAST around a circuit like Spa
Francorchamps is more of a challenge...

Greets,

Jo

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