For the late 1990s? F1RS, but you must run the 3Dfx version to make the
most of what it offers insofar as the graphics are concerned.
This is what GP2 could have been like if Microprose had bothered to
support it with patches, upgrades etc. during its life.
--
Bruce
(at work)
"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:34:41 +1100, Bruce Kennewell
>This is what GP2 could have been like if Microprose had bothered to
>support it with patches, upgrades etc. during its life.
It sounds like it could have been great. It was released over 1 year
ago, and I hope they didnt use the excuse of "we're concentrating on
GP3", especially since the span of release dates between GP2 and GP3
will probably be well over 2 years.
Oh well, I guess some companies dont mind loosing market share to
others like UBISoft.
Marc.
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Tough question..........
I've been driving GP2 since Aug 96 and have had F1RS for a month now and
will add my opinion.
GP2 is a classic sim there's no doubt about that. It took 2 1/2 years to
build and is solid in nearly every category except that you have to have
a very strong system to fully appreciate the svga graphics to maximum.
It has very minor ,if any, bugs to speak of and there is over 600
updates to carsets,***pits , ads , tracks etc., on the net free of
charge.The tracks and sensation of speed is top grade in Gp2 and you
can control the car with keyboard easily.Also you can adjust the graphics
from the***pit.Gp2 is a sim of the 1994 F1 season.
F1RS is the new kid on the block which takes advantage of the 3DFX
Voodoo acceleration and is a sim of the 1996 F1 season.
Putting them side by side they are similar in many respects and i will
list them for you:
Gp2 has a greater sensation of speed.
Gp2 has better physics, dynamics and handling
F1RS has sensational wet weather, and variable weather whilst driving
Gp2 has a better menu system
F1RS has a better manual
Artificial Intelligence is better in GP2
Track accuracy is better in Gp2
In F1RS you will hear other cars when driving not in GP2
F1RS has ghost mode which is is excellent but GP2 has better multiplayer
F1RS you can run full graphics at about 30fps.....on P 200 3DFX
In GP2 you have to turn down graphics on P 200
The setups and telemetry are about same except GP2 has more intelligent
menu system.........
The sound is better in GP2
F1RS is more up to date with tracks...........
In F1RS you can watch yourself on the big trackside TV.....Cool !!!!
As you can see there is no clear winner and i keep both on my HDD.
The thing is that everyone has played GP2 to death and knows everything
about it backwards.....where to brake, acc, etc., and F1RS is kinda
like a new flashy toy which you can't stop playing.
Cheers
When Crammond wrote GP1, and Microprose picked up the publishing rights,
the company was owned/operated by Bill Steely.
When Crammond started GP2 for Microprose Steely still owned the company,
but, whilst GP2 was still be done, Spectrum Holobyte bought Microprose.
Overnight the whole scenario changed dramatically. The game was pushed
into production before Crammond was satisfied with it; during its
production run SH treated it as if it was the source of the Ebola virus
and official support of the product was non-existent.
I am highly sceptical of any rumours suggesting that (a) Crammond is
writing GP3 for Microprose or (b) Crammond is writing GP3 at all. *IF*
such a product appears then, unless corporate attitudes within
Microprose have changed dramatically (which may be possible, seeing that
its changed hands again), I cannot imagine Crammond offering the rights
to them for publication. Remember that it is *he* who has ownership of
the game "engine"..........*not* Microprose.
--
Bruce.
(At home)
GP2 AI is worse IMO, they are extremely annoying, and sometimes far to
frustrating. At least F1RS AI will go off the track to avoid a crash. You
also forgot to metion, that F1RS has a far better damage engine. GP2 Is far
to fake, worse than icr2 in arcade damage mode.
Peter Meter
>Tough question..........
>I've been driving GP2 since Aug 96 and have had F1RS for a month now and
>will add my opinion.
>GP2 is a classic sim there's no doubt about that. It took 2 1/2 years to
>build and is solid in nearly every category except that you have to have
>a very strong system to fully appreciate the svga graphics to maximum.
>It has very minor ,if any, bugs to speak of and there is over 600
>updates to carsets,***pits , ads , tracks etc., on the net free of
>charge.The tracks and sensation of speed is top grade in Gp2 and you
>can control the car with keyboard easily.Also you can adjust the graphics
>from the***pit.Gp2 is a sim of the 1994 F1 season.
>F1RS is the new kid on the block which takes advantage of the 3DFX
>Voodoo acceleration and is a sim of the 1996 F1 season.
>Putting them side by side they are similar in many respects and i will
>list them for you:
>Gp2 has a greater sensation of speed.
>Gp2 has better physics, dynamics and handling
>F1RS has sensational wet weather, and variable weather whilst driving
>Gp2 has a better menu system
>F1RS has a better manual
>Artificial Intelligence is better in GP2
>Track accuracy is better in Gp2
>In F1RS you will hear other cars when driving not in GP2
>F1RS has ghost mode which is is excellent but GP2 has better multiplayer
>F1RS you can run full graphics at about 30fps.....on P 200 3DFX
>In GP2 you have to turn down graphics on P 200
>The setups and telemetry are about same except GP2 has more intelligent
>menu system.........
>The sound is better in GP2
>F1RS is more up to date with tracks...........
>In F1RS you can watch yourself on the big trackside TV.....Cool !!!!
>As you can see there is no clear winner and i keep both on my HDD.
>The thing is that everyone has played GP2 to death and knows everything
>about it backwards.....where to brake, acc, etc., and F1RS is kinda
>like a new flashy toy which you can't stop playing.
>Cheers
GP2 AI is worse IMO, they are extremely annoying, and sometimes far to
frustrating. At least F1RS AI will go off the track to avoid a crash. You
also forgot to metion, that F1RS has a far better damage engine. GP2 Is far
to fake, worse than icr2 in arcade damage mode.
Peter Meter
>Tough question..........
>I've been driving GP2 since Aug 96 and have had F1RS for a month now and
>will add my opinion.
>GP2 is a classic sim there's no doubt about that. It took 2 1/2 years to
>build and is solid in nearly every category except that you have to have
>a very strong system to fully appreciate the svga graphics to maximum.
>It has very minor ,if any, bugs to speak of and there is over 600
>updates to carsets,***pits , ads , tracks etc., on the net free of
>charge.The tracks and sensation of speed is top grade in Gp2 and you
>can control the car with keyboard easily.Also you can adjust the graphics
>from the***pit.Gp2 is a sim of the 1994 F1 season.
>F1RS is the new kid on the block which takes advantage of the 3DFX
>Voodoo acceleration and is a sim of the 1996 F1 season.
>Putting them side by side they are similar in many respects and i will
>list them for you:
>Gp2 has a greater sensation of speed.
>Gp2 has better physics, dynamics and handling
>F1RS has sensational wet weather, and variable weather whilst driving
>Gp2 has a better menu system
>F1RS has a better manual
>Artificial Intelligence is better in GP2
>Track accuracy is better in Gp2
>In F1RS you will hear other cars when driving not in GP2
>F1RS has ghost mode which is is excellent but GP2 has better multiplayer
>F1RS you can run full graphics at about 30fps.....on P 200 3DFX
>In GP2 you have to turn down graphics on P 200
>The setups and telemetry are about same except GP2 has more intelligent
>menu system.........
>The sound is better in GP2
>F1RS is more up to date with tracks...........
>In F1RS you can watch yourself on the big trackside TV.....Cool !!!!
>As you can see there is no clear winner and i keep both on my HDD.
>The thing is that everyone has played GP2 to death and knows everything
>about it backwards.....where to brake, acc, etc., and F1RS is kinda
>like a new flashy toy which you can't stop playing.
>Cheers
> When Crammond wrote GP1, and Microprose picked up the publishing rights,
> the company was owned/operated by Bill Steely.
> When Crammond started GP2 for Microprose Steely still owned the company,
> but, whilst GP2 was still be done, Spectrum Holobyte bought Microprose.
> Overnight the whole scenario changed dramatically. The game was pushed
> into production before Crammond was satisfied with it; during its
> production run SH treated it as if it was the source of the Ebola virus
> and official support of the product was non-existent.
> I am highly sceptical of any rumours suggesting that (a) Crammond is
> writing GP3 for Microprose or (b) Crammond is writing GP3 at all. *IF*
> such a product appears then, unless corporate attitudes within
> Microprose have changed dramatically (which may be possible, seeing that
> its changed hands again), I cannot imagine Crammond offering the rights
> to them for publication. Remember that it is *he* who has ownership of
> the game "engine"..........*not* Microprose.
> --
> Bruce.
> (At home)
GP2 is a classic sim there's no doubt about that. It took 2 1/2 years to build and is solid in nearly every category except that you have to have a very strong system to fully appreciate the svga graphics to maximum. It has very minor ,if any, bugs to speak of and...
there is over 600 updates to carsets,***pits , ads , tracks etc., on the net free of charge.
Good point in GP2's favour but I'd say with the official & unofficial support already being shown to F1rs on the web that we can the same sort of add-ons with time
The tracks and sensation of speed is top grade in Gp2
But not a patch on the sensation of speed from F1rs (at least on my system - PII266, 64Mb RAM + 3Dfx card)
and you can control the car with keyboard easily.
Can't comment I always use a joystick.
Also you can adjust the graphics from the***pit.
More important you could control the driver's aids from the***pit. I'd say the 'in car controls' were certainly one of GP2's strengths.
Gp2 is a sim of the 1994 F1 season. F1RS is the new kid on the block which takes advantage of the 3DFX Voodoo acceleration and is a sim of the 1996 F1 season. Putting them side by side they are similar in many respects and i will list them for you:
Gp2 has a greater sensation of speed.
Couldn't diasagree more (see above). One of the biggest failings in GP2 was any real sense of how fast you 'felt' you were approaching bends & corners.
Gp2 has better physics, dynamics and handling
Always amazes me how many people comment on this sort of thing with nothing more than impressions & personal opinion to base it on (I apologise if by a million to 1 chance you are actually a race engineer for Williams or some such). IMO both score well in this department. However, IMO the 'feel' of being in control of the car, of feeling it slide in corners, etc. is much improved in F1rs than GP2.
F1RS has sensational wet weather, and variable weather whilst driving
Agreed.
Gp2 has a better menu system
Agreed.
F1RS has a better manual
And online help.
Artificial Intelligence is better in GP2
Agreed.
Track accuracy is better in Gp2
Hard to comment as I've never had the priveledge to drive on any of them except parts of the Monte Carlo circuit (where IMO F1rs seems every bit as good if not better than GP2 in this respect. My only comment would be that the 3dfx graphics make the whole place seem a lot brighter & cleaner than I remember it (except that tunnel - nice touch).
In F1RS you will hear other cars when driving not in GP2
Very handy
F1RS has ghost mode which is is excellent
Agreed
but GP2 has better multiplayer
IMO the single best feature of GP2 that has still to be matched in any other game I've tried is the sheer ease of direct modem - modem connection. 2 years on I'm still praying ID will take note...!!! It's a shame this is not (yet?) implemented in F1rs. However, the LAN connection is faultless.
F1RS you can run full graphics at about 30fps.....on P 200 3DFX
In GP2 you have to turn down graphics on P 200
Difficult to comment as both run with everything switched on on mine.
The setups and telemetry are about same except GP2 has more intelligent menu system.........
Yep!
The sound is better in GP2
Yes, Yes, Yes! I've no idea which is the more 'realistic' engine noise I just liked the one in GP2 better.
F1RS is more up to date with tracks...........
In F1RS you can watch yourself on the big trackside TV.....Cool !!!!
Couldn't belive that the first time I saw it & realised it was 'live'!!!
As you can see there is no clear winner and i keep both on my HDD.
Disagree. GP2 lasted about a fortnight after I got this (until I got my first decent car set-up) since then it's made a token contribution to the ridiculous amount of HD real-estate needed by Quake 2!!!
The thing is that everyone has played GP2 to death and knows everything about it backwards.....where to brake, acc, etc., and F1RS is kinda like a new flashy toy which you can't stop playing.
The test is 2 years from now will we regard todays 'flash new toy' as the 'classic' that GP2 has been (past tense I'm afraid).
Regards
DM
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