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by **Peter Prochazk** » Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Don't know, what other guys do, but I drive quite regularly Monza, Glen,
Silverstone, Zandy, Spa and Rouen. I play GPL for 2 1/2 months now and I've
yet to try Kyalami, Mexico and Mosport. Monaco and the Ring I do, well...,
sometimes :-)
But you're right, I should drive all tracks (and race on them), but I've the
problem, that there's so much to try and learn in GPL. The different tracks,
the different cars, different setups, racing and trying to learn a proper
technique to get fast and consistent. (and somewhere in between getting used
to FF;-)
So I often drive a track I know instead of trying a new one. It's more fun
for me, when I know the track and can concentrate on getting it right
instead of having to wonder, how the next turn is. But tomorrow is Sunday, a
lot of time to fill some gaps... :-)

Peter
Vienna, Austria

by **Eldre** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Let me know when you usually run. I'm always the last of the finishers....

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Ok, so I'm at 3:29 at Spa. But it will probably be easier for you to find one
second at Spa than for ME to find THREE seconds at Monza(1:32 avg.)...<g>

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>Remco also gave some very sound advice on VROC one night. If I've got it
>correct he said, "For those who are still above 130 at Monza; take an F3 out
>for an hour solid. When you come back to the F1 you will have lost a
>second."

>I took my F3 out for one hour and have been making 29's ever since. :-)

Why does that help? Just curious, not ***ing.
Running an F3 for THREE hours won't get me under 1:30.(1:32's right now).
<g>

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>Anyway, I digress, as I said, if you are not racing on all the tracks
>then try it, it doesn't take that long to learn a new one - apart from
>the ring of course - and it certainly stops things from getting too
>stale. ;-)

No, I'll just be in last place in ALL 11 tracks... :-)

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by **Marko Viitane** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

EldredP kirjoitti viestiss?

>>Remco also gave some very sound advice on VROC one night. If I've got it
>>correct he said, "For those who are still above 130 at Monza; take an F3
out
>>for an hour solid. When you come back to the F1 you will have lost a
>>second."

>>I took my F3 out for one hour and have been making 29's ever since. :-)

>Why does that help? Just curious, not ***ing.
>Running an F3 for THREE hours won't get me under 1:30.(1:32's right now).
><g>

>Eldred

With F3 you can improve your drivingstyle without going wide in every turn.
You can easily discover the idea _how_ you can improve your speed and also
it is easier to practice being smooth with the car. When you go back to F1
you'll notice that you are smoother with brakes and cornering. Also in F3
you have been braking much later into the corners and almost automatically
you brake later in F1 after the test. One important thing in F3 is to
maintain good speed thru the whole corner and only way to do it is by being
smoother and smoother, not only with the wheel, but with brakes and
accelerating and that is _the_ thing that improves your times in F3, and by
transfering this information to F1 will also improve your times with F1 car.

Also when you are modifying car setups. You can see the results more
dramatically with F3 car in the time. You can see better what the current
modification does to your car and also here, by transfering this information
to F1 will help you in F1.

by **Andre Warring** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Eldred, you have a serious self-confidence problem :)

Andre

by **Peter Ive** » Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:00:00

<snip>

As far as setups go, what I found was, once I had got a setup at one
track that seemed to suit my style of driving, I was then able to apply
the same kind of changes to all the default setups and found that the
car would still handle in a very similar way. The only track this
didn't apply was Brands Hatch which is sooo slippy. I couldn't find
anything that worked there and eventually used Alison Hine's Ferrari
setup for my Lotus. I've tried her setups on other tracks by the way,
but they don't suit my driving.

The kind of changes I'm referring to - and I'm definitely no expert -
are:-

The relationship between the front/rear wheel rates. (In other words the
number of lbs/in difference between the two - for instance I prefer my
rear wheel rate to be only 10lbs/in more than the default front setting)

The amount of bump and rebound. (Whether I had more/less bump than
rebound - I normally have bump on the fronts set to 3)

The relationship between front and rear ARB. (Again the average
difference between the two - I generally like my rear ARB to be half the
setting at the front)

I found that if these were similar at all tracks then the car would
generally handle ok. I then had a starting frame of reference which I
could then improve on as I became more familiar with the track.
--
Peter Ives

by **PaiK** » Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Peter,

What setup changes?
I like the Nunnini's setup, as you said, very comfortable, but for me
not that fast. I can do 29.xx with Alison Ferrari setups in the Lotus,
and I probe the Nunnini's, more easily handling the car, but I do
30.xx, seems slower that Alison's for me.

Can you tell me the changes in the Nunnini's setup?

Thanks.
JaviF

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by **David B. Harriso** » Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I had the exact incident happen to me the other night at Silverstone. Where I
tried to overtake a car on the outside at Woodcot. He bobbled, then slid up and
took me out. As they say......."that's racin'!" I have never raced in any series
that the backmarkers were as slow as they are in GPL. Jack Rambo where are you?
The ONLY complaint I ever had about GPL was the diversity of the field. Well
maybe the lack of OpenGL support too. But I agree with you on hitting the wall by
confining yourself to just a few of the tracks in GPL. The only way to understand
the physics of racing is to expose yourself and your car to as many differing
circumstances as posible. There is alot more to GPL than Monza. Mexico and Zandy
are my favorite tracks.

> >I find it very interesting that I always have a kind of 'limit' on a track I
> >practice often. When I break one limit I'm immediately stuck on the next
> >one. In Monza the first one was of course the 1:30. Then suddenly I managed
> >a 1:29:8x. Well, that was the next one. I don't know how much laps I did
> >with times that were just a few hundreths away from that time. Then, boom
> >out of the blue sky, suddenly a 1:29:25. Well, there I'm stuck now, with a
> >PB of 1:29:20 and about 30 times betwen 1:29:20 and 1:29:30. (And I know,
> >the 1:28 will come suddenly and unexpected... ;-) The interesting part is,
> >when I compare (with SpyGirl) 2 good laps that are very close in time and
> >one time I had the feeling for example the Parabolica was very good and on
> >the other lap perhaps the Lesmos, I find out out that they are driven almost
> >exactly the same. No very good Parabolica or Lesmos, just the same ***as
> >in the other lap. Strange, how quick one can get used to a way to drive the
> >particular turns and how hard it is to unlearn one's habits to get a bit
> >quicker again...

> Is it me, or do a lot of guys here just drive on the same 2 or 3 tracks
> trying to improve their PBs. If this is the case then it doesn't
> surprise me that you are eventually hitting a "wall" timewise.

> I've been playing GPL pretty regularly for the past 3 months and the way
> I play it is to do a Grand Prix season so that I am regularly visiting
> each track in turn. I have found that by doing this, everytime I return
> to each track, it is with a fresh outlook and renewed enthusiasm and, as
> a consequence, I have been able to improve my PB at every circuit during
> the first practice round. Then, once I have set what I would call a
> decent enough qualifying time - one that has improved on my previous PB
> by at least .5 of a second - I then concentrate on getting my race day
> car setup. In this way my times have been tumbling, and the last time I
> was at Monza I managed a 1:28.77 and have done 3:21.xx at Spa and still
> see room for improvement at all circuits.

> One sad note though, since I have gone the whole hog with the Grand Prix
> distance race with my last season, whereas I used to be able to finish
> races at the other distances, I am yet to complete a race. I've come
> close on a few occasions, managing about 3/4 distance before one slip in
> concentration has seen me ploughing out of the race. :-(
> Except, that is, for when I was racing at Silverstone and was lapping a
> Ferrari just before Woodcot, went slightly deep into the corner but
> thought I had still managed the pass, only to be clipped by the
> b*ast*rd. This spun me round and he then rammed my front end taking my
> right wheel off. When I checked the replay I discovered that the
> Ferrari had actually driven on to the pit lane "cobbles" in order to get
> on the inside line and, despite my starting to pull away from him as my
> Lotus accelerated onto the straight, the *** had drifted out and
> clipped my back wheel with his front. This was only 20 laps from the
> finish.

> Anyway, I digress, as I said, if you are not racing on all the tracks
> then try it, it doesn't take that long to learn a new one - apart from
> the ring of course - and it certainly stops things from getting too
> stale. ;-)
> --
> Peter Ives

by **Eldre** » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>> Let me know when you usually run. I'm always the last of the finishers....

>> Eldred

>Nope, you're wrong here Eldred! That was me, you remember?

>Jan.

Ok, I'm USUALLY the last of the finishers. That better?<g>

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

You suggest the Ring to improve confidence?!? You're a cruel man, Andre...<g>

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by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

In my opinion the Ring really is the best track to learn GPl... it
offers everything. Drive it again and again and again, until you know
the road by head, and then improve your times. When you're able to
drive to Ring, all the other tracks become a lot easier...

Andre

by **Neil Rain** » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> In my opinion the Ring really is the best track to learn GPl... it
> offers everything. Drive it again and again and again, until you know
> the road by head, and then improve your times. When you're able to
> drive to Ring, all the other tracks become a lot easier...

Sure, but how long does that take!?

I really got into the Nurburgring for a while and just drove it
exclusively in training mode.

Finally I got down to about 8:40, and it was a great experience, but the
problem is that my system can't cope with any other cars on the circuit
at all.

Even with only one AI opponent (using n_ai_cars=1) it was too slow and
kept pausing at certain points on the track.

As for online ... you can imagine!

I now hardly ever race there and have to skip it when doing a world
championship - there's no way I could beat Jim Clarke there anyway!

Perhaps when I get a P9 4000.... ;-)

by **Mats Lofkvis** » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> In my opinion the Ring really is the best track to learn GPl... it
> offers everything. Drive it again and again and again, until you know
> the road by head, and then improve your times. When you're able to
> drive to Ring, all the other tracks become a lot easier...

> Andre

And it keeps you from developing bad habits since it is close to
impossible to get a clean lap if you try to go over your limit.
It's like doing 5-in-a-row hotlaps at most other tracks :-)

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