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Jim Clark on Guardian

alex martin

Jim Clark on Guardian

by alex martin » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:07:11

http://www.racesimcentral.net/,12269,1187599,00.html
Since Hockenheim is so much in the news these days (surprised it didn't make
it here, those German pics ...).
rms

Jim Clark on Guardian

by rms » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:33:52

Gotta say it seems a very dry, emotionless account.

rms

Tiny Lun

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Tiny Lun » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:37:13


Can't forget the picture of the crash :-(
http://eis.net.au/~bramwell/hockenheimcrash.htm

alex martin

Jim Clark on Guardian

by alex martin » Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:23:44

Yes, I felt the same; strange, how times have changed and what we regard as
standard journalism has become what would then have been seen as
sensationalist.

mcewen

Jim Clark on Guardian

by mcewen » Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:01:19

Probably pretty standard for the era, driver deaths were a fairly
regular event.  If it was some unknown rookie it probably wouldn't have
made the national papers...

Andy

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Andy » Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:30:41




>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/fromthearchive/story/0,12269,1187599,00.html
>> Since Hockenheim is so much in the news these days (surprised it didn't
>> make it here, those German pics ...).

> Can't forget the picture of the crash :-(
> http://eis.net.au/~bramwell/hockenheimcrash.htm

Very good picture. All the more poignant that there's a car racing past in
the background...
Bruce Kennewel

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:41:15

Not really; it's from a time when reporters actually *reported* and didn't
garnish their essays with emotive outpourings, personal opinions or the use
of indiscriminate adjectives.

How pleasant it would be to see such habits reintroduced.

Bruce


Rudebo

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Rudebo » Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:29:14

Jeez, I was always told nobody say what happened.  Just suddenly he wasn't
back in the stadium section when expected and they then searched and found
the wrekage.  So nobody ever knew what happened.

An other myth busted.

Although, I guess Senna died a few feet in front of Schumacher, live on TV
and still nobdy knows what happened.

Rudeboy


Asgeir Nesoe

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Asgeir Nesoe » Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:06:36

I agree completely, Bruce.

The alleged goal of "objectivity" of the press has been watered down into oblivion.

It is also interesting to see how a totally neutral text speaks to you between
the lines ("... (he) was evidently unhappy, according to a race official") and
carries it's own set of emotions.

---A---


> Not really; it's from a time when reporters actually *reported* and didn't
> garnish their essays with emotive outpourings, personal opinions or the use
> of indiscriminate adjectives.

> How pleasant it would be to see such habits reintroduced.

> Bruce



>>Gotta say it seems a very dry, emotionless account.

cosmo_kram..

Jim Clark on Guardian

by cosmo_kram.. » Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:46:11

It's just a picture of the wreckage.  How does that contradict the
"myth" that nobody saw what happened?  That picture may have been taken
minutes or hours after the actual crash...


> Jeez, I was always told nobody say what happened.  Just suddenly he
wasn't
> back in the stadium section when expected and they then searched and
found
> the wrekage.  So nobody ever knew what happened.

> An other myth busted.

> Although, I guess Senna died a few feet in front of Schumacher, live
on TV
> and still nobdy knows what happened.

> Rudeboy




http://www.guardian.co.uk/fromthearchive/story/0,12269,1187599,00.html

- Show quoted text -

Bruce Kennewel

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:53:20

Asgeir, if that line was being typed today by a so-called journalist, it
would read "...Clark was not happy."
It would read as a statement of fact, implying that the journo had the
information direct from Clark before the race began.

There would be no mention at all that it was observed by a race official
that Clark appeared to be unhappy.

There-in lies the difference, I think, between objective (then) and
subjective (now) reporting.

All the best to you.
Bruce


Rudebo

Jim Clark on Guardian

by Rudebo » Wed, 27 Apr 2005 03:47:00


Not the picture. The story talks about a Policeman and a competitor behind
him seeing the leadup to and the actual accident.


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