goes to prove again that now computer is safe that one has physical
access to. I wonder what "they" will try to do about that? Now where did
I put that focusin bottle...?? ;)
Cheers, uwe
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Focusin or Kool-Aid? Enough Uwe, we ALL know you arent able to make a
reasonable judgement on any MS products and thats fine but enough MS bashing
already.
Linux is not a consumer friendly OS know matter what SPIN you throw out.
Reality check, do you really think any of us care who makes our OS? Hell
no, I want what works best, and without a doubt in the consumer arena
Windows is far and away a superior product. When Linux looks and works like
a modern OS (not some shareware mess it currrently is) then Im convinced
everyone would migrate without a second thought.
This isnt the place for this discussion and Ive visited places that do and
they all are nothing more than a stable for the unreasonable kool-aid
drinking activists with more time than sense.
Mitch
1%?? Try 40-50%...
I have nothing against MS, as long as I can select applications and turn
off the useless stuff at my choosing.
And I love linux, since it gives me the ultimate power on my own machine.
Comparing the two are comparing two non-comparative things; For one,
linux is free, MS is not. This makes it utterly useless to compare the
two in next to any context.
I don't recognize my current linux distro in any of your assessments,
since it performs magnificently well on an ancient (7 years old) P3, and
it feels like a perfectly modern OS.
Linux is most of all *different*, and attacking something because it is
*different* is the least valid of all possible imaginable arguments.
---A---
>> Cheers, uwe
> Focusin or Kool-Aid? Enough Uwe, we ALL know you arent able to make a
> reasonable judgement on any MS products and thats fine but enough MS bashing
> already.
> Linux is not a consumer friendly OS know matter what SPIN you throw out.
> Reality check, do you really think any of us care who makes our OS? Hell
> no, I want what works best, and without a doubt in the consumer arena
> Windows is far and away a superior product. When Linux looks and works like
> a modern OS (not some shareware mess it currrently is) then Im convinced
> everyone would migrate without a second thought.
> This isnt the place for this discussion and Ive visited places that do and
> they all are nothing more than a stable for the unreasonable kool-aid
> drinking activists with more time than sense.
> Mitch
Don McCorkle
Cheers, uwe
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>> This progresses as per some entities' plans, and Orwell could be
>> proven correct in "1984", save for the title.
> F Orwell, he stole that book from Ayn Rand.
> Don McCorkle
Dev's are using copy protection for a reason (Pirates). If they feel they
need it then so be it so long as it is as un-obtrusive as possible, which
Starforce is. It can and will get much worse in our lifetimes. All the
while these lunatic fringe activists are just going to drive dev's to the
consoles leaving us simmers high and dry....
Look at the reverse effect PETA is having on both the activists and the
public. The activists are getting more and more daring doing just about
anything to be heard while the general public for the most part ignores
them. The activists must then go that much farther to make the headlines
and now they are looked at as nothing more than a out of control left wing
terror group.
As far as MS goes Im just sick and tired of the activists and their
unreasonable comments. If you don;t like MS fine but why do so many feel
the need to bash MS at every single opportunity, ad nauseum... No different
than the freaks on the far left and their incessant never ending crying
about Bush or the far rights crying about Clinton.
What does L:inux being free have to do with being comparable? They are
both PC OS's and deserve to be compared to each other.
Every 6 months or so for the past decade Ive installed numerous distro's
(Suse my fav) and while they are improving the pace lags well behind Windows
releases..
You arent going to run Linux in an acceptable manner with a current desktop
manager (KDE or Gnome) on a P3 of any species... It may run but not
acceptably.
Trust me, I also want a free OS and could care less who gives it to me.
Right now Linux isnt it, free or otherwise.
You are misreading my comments if you think Im attacking Linux. I get
questions regarding Linux daily but when the end user can't even install a
printer in XP then what chance does he have with Linux? Not much and that
pretty much sums it up for me..
Mitch
Hear, hear, Mitch. I agree with everything you wrote.
Suse is my favourite distro too but even it tries too hard to be a Windows
clone.
I enjoy tinkering though and my current goal is to setup a MythTV HTPC but
that's a pretty tall order for a non-Linux-guru. Knoppmyth won't even
install on my pretty standard AMD64 system for some reason...
Here's Microsoft's biggest problem...
They went from a crashy, bug-infested operating system (Windows 95 and 98)
to a relatively stable and useable operating system (Win2K and XP) but along
the way picked up so many security holes that the term swiss cheese doesn't
do it justice.
When someone like me has to spend 30-40% of their support time removing
spyware picked up via drive-by silent installs from web pages (an issue
Microsoft STILL has not addressed to this day) then, well, that's just wrong
dammit.
Microsoft deserves a lot of what they get.
-Larry
> Dev's are using copy protection for a reason (Pirates). If they feel they
> need it then so be it so long as it is as un-obtrusive as possible, which
> Starforce is. It can and will get much worse in our lifetimes. All the
> while these lunatic fringe activists are just going to drive dev's to the
> consoles leaving us simmers high and dry....
> Look at the reverse effect PETA is having on both the activists and the
> public. The activists are getting more and more daring doing just about
> anything to be heard while the general public for the most part ignores
> them. The activists must then go that much farther to make the headlines
> and now they are looked at as nothing more than a out of control left wing
> terror group.
> As far as MS goes Im just sick and tired of the activists and their
> unreasonable comments. If you don;t like MS fine but why do so many feel
> the need to bash MS at every single opportunity, ad nauseum... No
> different than the freaks on the far left and their incessant never ending
> crying about Bush or the far rights crying about Clinton.
> What does L:inux being free have to do with being comparable? They are
> both PC OS's and deserve to be compared to each other.
> Every 6 months or so for the past decade Ive installed numerous distro's
> (Suse my fav) and while they are improving the pace lags well behind
> Windows releases..
> You arent going to run Linux in an acceptable manner with a current
> desktop manager (KDE or Gnome) on a P3 of any species... It may run but
> not acceptably.
> Trust me, I also want a free OS and could care less who gives it to me.
> Right now Linux isnt it, free or otherwise.
> You are misreading my comments if you think Im attacking Linux. I get
> questions regarding Linux daily but when the end user can't even install a
> printer in XP then what chance does he have with Linux? Not much and that
> pretty much sums it up for me..
> Mitch
>> What surprises me is that *anyone* at all defends Starforce and MS to any
>> extent.
>> I have nothing against MS, as long as I can select applications and turn
>> off the useless stuff at my choosing.
>> And I love linux, since it gives me the ultimate power on my own machine.
>> Comparing the two are comparing two non-comparative things; For one,
>> linux is free, MS is not. This makes it utterly useless to compare the
>> two in next to any context.
>> I don't recognize my current linux distro in any of your assessments,
>> since it performs magnificently well on an ancient (7 years old) P3, and
>> it feels like a perfectly modern OS.
>> Linux is most of all *different*, and attacking something because it is
>> *different* is the least valid of all possible imaginable arguments.
>> ---A---
Blaming MS for spyware/viruses etc etc is a serious stretch of the
imagination though.
The reason for the security issues in Windows lies directly with backward
compatibility. MS (correctly I might add) put more effort into b/w
compatibility at the expense of security in the past. And they did better
than anyone else before or since.
I have an old proggy called 3d home architect originally purchased for
Windows 3.1. Just the other day I dropped the CD into my XP rig and it
worked perfectly. including printing. Just think about that for a second or
two.
Ask any Apple fan how well Apple handles OS backward compatibility ;)
Did MS wait to long to make the transition? Yes, Id say. They are
definitely heading in the right direction now and Longhorn/Vista is even
more secure. Security of any type is only as good a the PC users that use
the PC.
Had any other OS (Nix, Warp, Linux or GEO, BeOS etc etc) grabbed the holy
grail back in the 80's do you really believe they would have been immune to
these attacks? Hardly... The biggest target gets shot at the most...
My problem with MS lies in its pricing structure. When I first bought DOS
3x back in 84' it cost me (IIRC it fuzzy now) $79. The 8088 PC I was
building costed me over 5K. A pretty small percentage of the PC overall
cost.
Today I can buy a rig for $300 but Windows now costs (Home version) a
sawbuck. 25% of the PC overall cost. The scale needs adjusting IMHO. I
mean how much money is enough fo rMS? Drop the fn prices already ;)
What are you going to do when the OS is self repairing and fully secure?
I'd bet you will be wishing for some viruses to fix when they hand you your
pink slip ;)
Mitch
-Larry
