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Calling all hardware gurus.

SimRace

Calling all hardware gurus.

by SimRace » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:08:47



I assume you have swapped the various 'new' drives around and made sure that
if it could be made to show up in Windows, that it was working fine.
Otherwise, I'd run scandisk or Norton Disk Doctor or some sort of surface
test to make sure it is working ok. A bad disk will show up in CMOS even if
it is damaged enough not to function properly within Windoze.

Other than that, the other advice has been good here: Make sure IDE 1
(secondary IDE, primary IDE should be labeled as 0) is activated. Make sure
that a HD is the Master on each channel, and any CDROMs or CDRWs are Slaves
to any HD's on their channel. Make sure the Master devices are jumpered as
Masters and the Slaves are jumpered as Slaves. I know someone said they had
CS mode working, but I've been tinkering with and building computers since
the 80s (can you say Heath kit? or TRS-80 or TI-99?) and CS has NEVER worked
properly for me in a PC. And also certainly, you'll need to do a reformat if
you are using NTFS formatted drives in anything less than an NT system. NT,
don't forget, encompasses everything from before NT-WS4.0 to the current
XP(NT5.1). There may also be an issue with these drives being FAT16 (since
4.3g HDs are years OLD by their very nature) and your system possibly being
FAT32. When Windoze95 died and Windoze98 appeared, so did FAT32. If these
drives were FAT16, they should still show up and work, but I wouldn't mix
and match FAT16 and FAT32 drives within the same system. You're asking for
trouble if you do IMHO (filenames longer than 8.3 can then become an issue).
What FAT type does FDISK show when you run it on the new drives?

AND, as an aside, I don't recall you ever mentioning the OS of the systems
these came out of. It is possible that they aren't even in any SORT of MS
format. 4.3g drives were around when the likes of O/S2 and NeXT OS's were
still around...and let us not forget that Linux runs on PC's too. A low
level format followed by an OS native fdisk may be the only way to go.

AND, it may be (since you said they were WD drives) that the systems they
came out of were so old that they didn't support 1g + HD's without a WD
driver. I had to use one of those on an old DOS 6.22 box once, I think they
called it Drive Rocket or similar? The old DOS didn't support 'large' HD's
and this overlay driver had to be installed to get them to format past 1 GB.
Actually I think it was past 540 MB, can't remember. Either way, this is
buried in the boot sector and needs a reformat to get rid of it for use in a
more current system.

Goy Larse

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:30:01




> >Be sure you've set the jumper-pins *on* the HDD correctly.

> >- Your *primary* harddisk should be set as MASTER (Do *not* use cable
> >select) and it should be connected to the IDE-0 "channel"

> Why not use cable select?  Is this to just be on the safe side?  If not,
> then I see no reason for it.  I have 2 drives using cable select just
> fine.

*Some* drives, particularly older ones, won't operate properly in CS
mode, and you also need 80 pin HD cables, something that is lost on some
people actually :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
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Goy Larse

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:36:26


> Okay......I tried setting them up as suggested.a dn one it seems may be
> FUBAR........but the other just doesn NOT want to be rad. I threw my old
> 1.8g in that was being removed in favour of these 2....it gets read just
> fine shows in windows. Both contrtollers are showing enabled and working
> fine, but the HD does not show up in my explorer....the CRrom does still. I
> can feel the drive spinning.....so it is working at least. I can't fdisk it
> as I have no drive letter to use........DAMN !!!   Maybe free stuff costs
> more than money, aggravation and TIME, the ultimate price !!!!   Ah
> well....I'll keep plugging with the ideas.....thanks guys.

You don't need drive letters to run fdisk, just run fdisk and see if
they show up under the number 5 option

If they were created and formatted in NTFS, which is quite common at a
work place as they often use Windows NT based OS's, it won't show up in
Win9x unless you install the NTFS support for Win9x, available from such
places as www.sysinternals.com

For WD drives yu can also DL the Diagnostics tool from here

http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

gord

Calling all hardware gurus.

by gord » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:10:13

Is your CD assigned as drive E: or the next letter after the second HD
letter? Try assigning the CD a higher letter. Maybe the HD refused to
take any letters higher than the CD drive. Of course if you change the
CD drive letter this will***up some programs which look at the CD
drive, for example Nascar2003. ;-)



gord

Calling all hardware gurus.

by gord » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:15:54



Boot your computer into DOS with your Windows emergency boot disk.
The fdisk utility is included in the floppy disk.

Verne

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Verne » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:31:43

YEA !!!!!!! Got one working. After a couple more hours of waiting. I got
hold of a diag disk from my step father and did a reformat. Turns out it WAS
NT format. Well.......after the format, still did not show up in
windows.........so I went to fdisk and did the dos partition thing and VOILA
!!!!!!   there it was............but when I tried to open it........error
message........right click, format in windows..........ALL BETTER !!!!!  So
thank you all very much for the help.........maybe next time I do
this......I'll be a bit more wise about what can go wrong.....or at elast,
help someone else..........thanks again and good racing to all.

          Verne

p.s.  The other drive makes some electronic sounding clicking and clunking
while spinning..........it stopped being detected entirely in CMOS. Sound
fubar ?? Or can these things actually be repairs cheaply ??

Steve Whitt

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Steve Whitt » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:58:51

good to hear you got it working.  Theres nothing like a puter or hardware to
stuff up to teach you a little bit more about them.  Thats what I like about
this ng, got a problem, someone here will be able to help.

Steve



Goy Larse

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:08:15


> p.s.  The other drive makes some electronic sounding clicking and clunking
> while spinning..........it stopped being detected entirely in CMOS. Sound
> fubar ?? Or can these things actually be repairs cheaply ??

FUBAR, it can be repaired at 3 times the cost of a new one

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Andre Warring

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Andre Warring » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:34:34

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:44:21 +0100, Peter Ives


>Why not use cable select?  Is this to just be on the safe side?  If not,
>then I see no reason for it.  I have 2 drives using cable select just
>fine.

I bought a new 80gig HD last week, my pc wouldn't reckognize it when I
set it to master, then I tried CS and it worked ok :-/

Andre

Alan Jone

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Alan Jone » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:25:14

I'd say it has written its last byte of data.  You now have a novel
paperweight.  

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:31:43 -0700, "Verne \"fnugen\" Harris"


>p.s.  The other drive makes some electronic sounding clicking and clunking
>while spinning..........it stopped being detected entirely in CMOS. Sound
>fubar ?? Or can these things actually be repairs cheaply ??

Goy Larse

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Goy Larse » Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:04:32


> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:44:21 +0100, Peter Ives

> >Why not use cable select?  Is this to just be on the safe side?  If not,
> >then I see no reason for it.  I have 2 drives using cable select just
> >fine.

> I bought a new 80gig HD last week, my pc wouldn't reckognize it when I
> set it to master, then I tried CS and it worked ok :-/

That happens every now and then too, you can imagine how much I enjoy
trouble shooting computers...:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Uwe Sch??rkam

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:18:36

another option would be to download toms rescue boot disk, put
it onto a floppy, but the minilinux that is on there and use
the Linux fdisk which is far superior to the dos version. It
will allow you to completely wipe the drive and partitions on
it and re-create a brand new shiny FAT32 partition that you can
format under windows.

Feel free to mail me if you need further details.

Cheers,

uwe

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Jim Davi

Calling all hardware gurus.

by Jim Davi » Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:26:34

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:02:04 -0700, "Verne \"fnugen\" Harris"

Run Fdisk and wipe them out, then format them. They might be formatted
to another OS>

Jim Davis
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