> >> If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not
> >> necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included)
> >> And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much
> >> more effect.
> >Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't
> >show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason.
> Huh?
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Nope, but I definately do remember an interview at least a year ago
with a mag (probably either PC Format or PC Gamer) and he definately
stated that he was using GP2 as a base. Something along the lines
of "After all the work I've put into GP2 I'd be mad to throw it away
and start again".
BTW, this isn't me slagging the game off. I haven't played it and
probably never will - just not interested.
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Before you buy.
% I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window
% platform is
% already develop !!!
I have programming skills as well, and know it is sometimes better to
s***everything and start from scratch.... patching and hacking old
code doesn't make for a better product (especially one that is 4-6 years
old). I wouldn't hold your breath for any major improvements in GP...
If it took them 4 years to produce GP3, they won't have much time to do
anything but make track and car alterations for each new release.
% Good job GP3 Team and Geoff Crammond from a programmer who understand
% you !!!
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>>(like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a
>>programmer to understand, that one).
>This is only an excuse for a bad programmer.
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> : Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't
> : show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason.
> It does on my version. I got hit from behind by that eeejit Hill
> coming into bridge in a very wet Silverstone. My Stewart rolled about
> three times losing all the detatchable parts (4 wheels, the entire nose
> and the rear wing) before coming to rest. I spent a good long while
> watching the replay of it.
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> >Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about
> >whinning !!!!
> I can do both!
> >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a
> >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D
> >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu
> >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!.
> They didn't reprogram, they ported the code.
Looking at the graphics, not only during rain, I don't know what you
expect from the graphics. Looks better than any other modern F1 sim.
It does in some areas, and is at least equal in many others.
After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic...
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>> >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a
>> >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D
>> >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu
>> >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!.
>> They didn't reprogram, they ported the code.
>I'd say (looking at the improvements), they had to modify at least
>80% of the code. That's a lot more than for some of the sequels we got
>from this other sim company...
I agree quite a bit, the graphics are nice. The 'sprite' usage doesn't
bother me much.
...
I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need
for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be
caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games
can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play
is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I
have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software
renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design &
programming. The end.
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> On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:41:13 +0200, Ronald Stoehr
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> >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic...
> I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need
> for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be
> caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games
Agree on most points, although many games, esp. those that have to
appeal
to a broader audience, still have a software mode. And I definitely
haven't seen the end yet..I mean...what end do you mean? ;)
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in an earlier post you claimed gp3 models tyre wear. Can you back that
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>> On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:41:13 +0200, Ronald Stoehr
>snip
>> >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic...
>> I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need
>> for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be
>> caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games
>Well, maybe he WAS working on GP4 the last 2 years? Okay, I'm a VERY
>optimistic guy... ;)
That's ok, but you shouldn't spend your time programming it while the
other parts need the work more badly. Let the D3D and OpenGL drivers
do software emulation. Why reinvent the wheel?
The end of the world ofcourse! ;-)
For me personally it is the end of the GP series. I can't see, judging
by what has been delivered after 4 years of programming, that a sequal
in 2004 or so will not be surpassed by most sims/games on the market.
So it's no use getting a 3-axis patch in 2004. :)
Unless Geoff smartens up and puts a team on it, and enjoys the fruits
of his name at a small warm sunny island and gets the heck away from
doing any more programming himself.
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I think the fiasco will stop at GP3
There will be no patches
no official improvement
no more support for HASBRO products
> GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a
> window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D
> graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu
> and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!.
> I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff
> Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!!
> It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style
> (like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a
> programmer to understand, that one).
> GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change,
> people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the
> essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good
> job !!!
> I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window
> platform is
> already develop !!!
> Good job GP3 Team and Geoff Crammond from a programmer who understand
> you !!!
> Bye Rosaire
> > I recall an interview that he
> > said something like an all new
> > game engine will be used for GP3
> > instead of just updating GP2
> > Could anyone recall that interveiw ??
> > Also that as soon as GP2
> > was out , he was already buried in GP3
> > so much so that he had no time to play
> > GPL or anything at all, hence he could
> > not place GP3 anywhere in relation to
> > "current games"......or something like that
> > --
> > Thanks and regards
> > Leong
no more hidding for bad or weak
programmers here !!
:-)
> >Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about
> >whinning !!!!
> I can do both!
> >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a
> >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D
> >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu
> >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!.
> They didn't reprogram, they ported the code.
> >I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff
> >Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!!
> IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays.
> >It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style
> >(like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a
> >programmer to understand, that one).
> This is only an excuse for a bad programmer.
> >GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change,
> >people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the
> >essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good
> >job !!!
> Agreed. But unlike GP2, GP3 doesn't raise the bar.
> >I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window
> >platform is
> >already develop !!!
> Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO.
> Remco
there is the problem right there !!!
Geoff is stuck in the dos era
he does not know about LAN and IP
and it shows.........
geez
why didn't he get an indian software programmer ?
Then again.... in this day and age, these things should have been
included in GP3. . . Hmmm, maybe GP3 should have been an
add-on pack for GP2. . .
Just my opinion of course.
Gotta love those weather effects tho ;)
Lorne
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> >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic...
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> >ronny
> in an earlier post you claimed gp3 models tyre wear. Can you back that
> up with hard fact?
> Uwe
