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Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

Thomas Soerense

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Thomas Soerense » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

HI gang

do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little
faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines?

I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less.

I think Im finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only
obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with.

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Thomas S?rensen
Wilkensvej 45, 2. th
2000 Frederiksberg
Denmark

DLK

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by DLK » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

You can get all the information you need to know about GPL setups here:

http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/

Basically, if you reduce the front roll bar (or increase the rear) you will
reduce the understeer.


Kurt Steinboc

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Kurt Steinboc » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00


>HI gang

>do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little
>faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines?

>I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less.

>I think Im finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only
>obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with.

Thomas, just take a click lower on the front ARB, and a click or two higher
on the rear.  That will make the setup a little looser.  But if you want to
go FASTER, you probably ought to be looking at the Eagle or the Lotus.

Regards,

Kurt

Thomas Soerense

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Thomas Soerense » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2
clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks.

Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully

Thomas



> >HI gang

> >do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little
> >faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines?

> >I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less.

> >I think Im finally good enough to try some more competitive setups -
only
> >obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with.

> Thomas, just take a click lower on the front ARB, and a click or two
higher
> on the rear.  That will make the setup a little looser.  But if you want
to
> go FASTER, you probably ought to be looking at the Eagle or the Lotus.

> Regards,

> Kurt

Gene Boni

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Gene Boni » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Thomas,

I did the same thing, started with AH's setup. When I went to Ricardo
Nunnini's setup, I liked it much better. I figured if I changed any of that
stuff, all I'd do is make it worse. Give it a try. Here is his site:

http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/

There is a wealth of driving info there.

Gene


Eldre

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Eldre » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Wow, I can barely DRIVE Ricardo's setups...  I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
:(

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Jan Verschuere

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I don't think you're actually doing something wrong Eldred. Except trying to
be someone else at too early a stage. Setups are a _very_ personal affair,
IMO. Look beyond conceptions of what is fast and what's not and look at what
the car does vs what you'd like it to be doing... then change the relevant
setting.

Once you've got the car responding to the way you drive you can begin to see
how you might gain by the way you approach the track. Make the driving
change first and then see how setup might help you. And so on and so forth.
After a while you will see yourself moving towards the faster setups. I used
to think Richard was talking rubbish... now I agree on most accounts.

There are, however, no shortcuts.... you must take the lohg way to what now,
rationally, seems faster. You cannot go from "slow" (you're not slow... you
can beat 80% of casual game players hands down) to fast in one swift swipe.
You must travel the learning curve. Not an easy process, but one that keeps
rewarding... take my word for it (2 years of playing GPL and counting)

Jan./this kind of talk earned me the nickname "Obi-Jan" on WVROC.
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Eldre

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Eldre » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00



>I don't think you're actually doing something wrong Eldred. Except trying to
>be someone else at too early a stage. Setups are a _very_ personal affair,
>IMO. Look beyond conceptions of what is fast and what's not and look at what
>the car does vs what you'd like it to be doing... then change the relevant
>setting.

Too early a stage???  I've had GPL for almost two YEARS...!
And I wouldn't have a CLUE what settings to change.

I've used Alison's Ferrari setups a lot, and I've gotten all that I can out of
them.  Yes, I know others have used them and been faster, but I'm stuck.  I
don't know what to change in my driving.  And *don't* say brake left-footed.  I
don't seem to be that coordinated.

I don't need a shortcut.  I'd settle for a 'medium-cut'...<g>

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Gregor Vebl

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Gregor Vebl » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> HI gang

> do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little
> faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines?

> I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less.

> I think Im finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only
> obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with.

> --
> Thomas S?rensen
> Wilkensvej 45, 2. th
> 2000 Frederiksberg
> Denmark

May I also suggest playing with the differential locking a bit? What
people suggested regarding the ARBs is true, but the differential lock
is probably the most overlooked area of setups regarding the balance of
the cars, especially regarding the turn entry. Basically, the higher the
coast ramp angle and the lower the number of clutches, the more the car
will oversteer when entering a turn. I am also a Ferrari man and I run
60/60 ramp angles with 1 clutch at most track. It gives excellent
traction at, for example, Parabolica, and great turn in. Basically the
car oversteers into a corner this way and because it gets quite high yaw
angles it is slowing down, so in effect you are trail braking into a
corner without using the brakes.

You might find the car quite nervous with such a setting at first, but
once you get used to it it's pretty fast. I admit to being a relatively
slow driver, but I just set my PB of 1.29.35 at Monza with such a setup
yesterday, and it was in one of the last laps of a race. I usually set
all my best laps in races, go figure.

-Gregor

m.seer

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by m.seer » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

. I usually set

Interesting point Gregor. I have just taken a look at my league statistics.
Of the 16 races that we have run this seasson, 14 have produced slower times
in qualifying than in the actual race. I wonder how people's philosopy on
qualifying setups differs from race setups, if people actually use different
ones at all (apart from maybe dumping fuel).

MS

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Gregor Vebl

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Gregor Vebl » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> . I usually set
> > all my best laps in races, go figure.

> > -Gregor

> Interesting point Gregor. I have just taken a look at my league statistics.
> Of the 16 races that we have run this seasson, 14 have produced slower times
> in qualifying than in the actual race. I wonder how people's philosopy on
> qualifying setups differs from race setups, if people actually use different
> ones at all (apart from maybe dumping fuel).

> MS

> .

It't true that I only go for a driveable setup that doesn't have too
much pushing or loosenes in it, and then I only adjust fuel for the
qualifying or races. But what amazes me that I can be faster after
plenty of laps in a race. My guess is that the tyre temperatures and my
driving style have stabilized over such a long time, so I am better at
finding my limits.

-Gregor

Brett C. Camma

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Brett C. Camma » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

If you have understeer mid-corner, try holding the throttle so the car
is neither accelerating or decelerating.  A lot of times what you feel
for understeer is that the rear differential is locked and both rear
wheels are trying to push the car straight ahead.

I was sorta decelerating/coasting from turn-in to apex until I figured
out that the only time the rear end wasn't locked was when I held the
throttle correctly for zero acceleration/deceleration.  It's
remarkable just how much faster the car can take a corner when you do
this because the rear wheels can rotate different speeds.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Goy Larse

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Goy Larse » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2
> clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks.

> Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully

Well, first I expect you to post a lot of spins :-)

Softening the front as well as stiffening the rear ARB should most
certainly make your car looser :-)

Beers and cheers
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Thomas Soerense

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Thomas Soerense » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

It is definately looser

But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of  throttle on so that not all
weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner

I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but still managed
to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank
climbing party at my house

BR
Thomas


> > Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2
> > clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks.

> > Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully

> Well, first I expect you to post a lot of spins :-)

> Softening the front as well as stiffening the rear ARB should most
> certainly make your car looser :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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Goy Larse

Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH′s needed!!!!

by Goy Larse » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> It is definately looser

> But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of  throttle on so that not all
> weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner

> I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but still managed
> to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank
> climbing party at my house

Cool, some people can live with very loose setups, I can't, but I don't
like pushy setups either, so I spend a lot of time getting my setups
neutral for my driving style

Beers and cheers
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