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by **Don Hancock (** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>However, if Sierra -- the publisher, not some warez f##k -- were to make a
>free, legal demo available with Riverside included, I would happily AND
>LEGALLY get the best of both worlds. I see no inconsistency there.
Dimwit.

In the farcical attempt to partake in this elevated discussion of the
legal merits of obtaining tracks for use with games other those for which it
was originally intended, I offer:
I'd bet Papy's license doesn't allow the use of any track with a game
for which it wasn't intended. Not that I myself wouldn't partake of that...
I'm merely pointing out that the main thrust of your argument was that it
would be LEGAL by the mere fact that Papy was the originator of the track;
which of course wouldn't be the case, because they never intended NL's
Riverside to be used with ANYTHING other than NL.
I don't disagree with your intention, I disagree with your argument.

Besides, it's all moot anyway: you can get NL for about $8 (counting $6
for cereal you'd eat anyway!). Got mine while I was on vacation!

Gunner

by **Kurt Steinboc** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> I don't disagree with your intention, I disagree with your argument.

You made an interesting point -- and one beyond my knowledge of Licenses,
Don.

Yeah, I know that, too. But I hate Cheerios, man! And I hate going to the
grocery store, and clipping out UPCs and all that crap. So I'll continue to
suffer with one less track because I'm an inertia-laden Cheerios-hater.

And YOU'RE certainly not a dimwit.

Regards,

Kurt

by **Tony Jeste** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Do you have the "In Car 956" video? It really helped me at the Ring.
Plus you get Brands Hatch, Kyalami, Spa (new) and Silverstone (kinda
useless). And Le Mans, which is actually my favorite. I've watched it
a million times and I'm still amazed at the speed on the Mulsane.

-Tony-

I'm about NASCAR'ed out for the moment and I still haven't come

by **Paul Ales** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yep indeed it is.....Just wait for Nascar 389....should have it just about
right by then.
Lasted about 20 mins on my pooter,thank heavens for the uninstall....
If you haven't bothered to get it,don't bother.Waste of d/load time....

> Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one.
> Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his
> converter :)

> Andre

> >http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I know, together with Seca, the old Sears and IMS they are the best
tracks from the converted tracks! Too bad that Riverside isn't the
complete Riverside circuit.

Andre

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:45:12 -0400, "Gault"

>> I misunderstood the earlier post, I thought another, different Nascar
>> Legends was released...

>Gotcha. BTW, Riverside is a blast if you don't have it yet. :-)

by **Kurt Steinboc** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Well, you got me there. Guess I never should have taken on a licensing
expert! Glad you could set me straight.

My bad.

Kurt

by **Gaul** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thanks- I've heard about this video but haven't picked it up yet. I hadn't
really considered its use as a training tool for GPL before. :-)

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

How do you know that David Noonan doesn't have Sierra's consent ?

Beers and cheers
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by **GraDe** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yes but an time I try to download something the link is bad.

Even the odd time I've managed to download something, at enormous expenses
and time on a 33k modem....... the freekin' thing has damaged files or
something, avault seems to dislike me:-)

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>> This is taken from EULA.TXT :

>> >A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in
>> >whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer,
>> >derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create
>> >derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary notices or
>> >labels on the Program without the prior consent, in writing, of Sierra.

>> It makes your statement illegal, it also makes Noonans converter
>> illegal, more again because he charges for it.

>How do you know that David Noonan doesn't have Sierra's consent ?

Yes, Noonan's product has a synergetic effect, although technically it
would perhaps not be fully legal. But it enhances any sales that are
left for GPL, so Sierra probably won't mind.
It's a bit like games such as Quake; those RELY on 3rd party stuff,
whether legal or not, well, that's up to the community.

Ruud van Gaal
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by **Jason Mond** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I tried the 3 primary sites before responding and they started to download (I
did cancel them).

Umm. Guess it's just one of those things :-(

Jason.

> > Try the primary download sites as the mirrors are not updated for a day or
> two.
> > That's how mirrors work.

> Yes but an time I try to download something the link is bad.

> Even the odd time I've managed to download something, at enormous expenses
> and time on a 33k modem....... the freekin' thing has damaged files or
> something, avault seems to dislike me:-)

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