rec.autos.simulators

by **jhaa** » Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:11:09

> I also program, and I am aware that bugs are hard to pin down and fix.
> However, I ALSO am a member of ACM, and if you'd read the code of ethics it
> clearly states that it is INFINITELY preferable not to program and then
> distribute code with known bugs. My main disagreement with Papyrus' Upper
> Management is that they did so in order to get the product on the shelf by
> Christmas. I'd rather have waited an extra year for a cleaner product.

Tony,

I agree with your above paragraph but I'm afraid that the last sentence
is the killer. I can't speak for Papyrus and their financial situation or
business pressures but I don't think we would have ever seen NASCAR if
we would have had to wait another year. I think the code of ethics is
great but how many companies follow it. I don't see a release of anything
any more that doesn't have bugs. This includes versions of DOS, windows
Word Perfect, flight simulator.. etc These are companies with deep
pockets.

I just don't think we get anywhere by making blanket PUBLIC criticism of
them. Things like libel and slander come to mind. Like any of us that
have developed computer systems, they will learn to better estimate
projects, develop their expertise in the complex arena that they are
working in and ultimately give us better sims.

Regards,

Jeff

by **Tony Joh** » Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:14:58

>Tony,
>I agree with your above paragraph but I'm afraid that the last sentence
>is the killer. I can't speak for Papyrus and their financial situation or
>business pressures but I don't think we would have ever seen NASCAR if
>we would have had to wait another year.

I do. I talked to the programmers as a tester and they were unhappy about
releasing the program when they did. Given about three or four extra months,
they'd have had the program out in MUCH better shape that it is now.

Not many. But just because they don't follow it doesn't make it right or
acceptable not to follow it.

Nothing I have said is libelous OR slanderous AT ALL. Not even close. It is
an expression of opinion -- had I said, "Papyrus is involved in the
development of illegal substances like *** in addition to simulators,"
THAT would have been libel. However, I had every right to express my
disappointment and my opinion as does everyone on the net.

Just FYI -- Adam and I have talked and things are squared away between us on
the whole deal.

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by **Steve Huskiss** » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 07:15:18

>I was hoping there were some bug fixes in the new patch...
>I have 1.1 Nascar and occasionally it just does a core dump
>to the screen and goes to the C: prompt. This has happened
>while selecting garage as well as other times. Sometimes
>it happens when I am not selecting anything, just racing
>along. 486DX2,Trident SVGA,8MB,Low Detail levels,no mem
>manager, soundblaster 16...... anyone else with these type of
>problems with Nascar?

Yep, I have gotten that dump on several occassions too! Usually when
selecting garage and once when connecting on Multiplayer.
I am utilizing a 486 DX4 100.

Steve
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by **Inderpreet Sin** » Fri, 17 Mar 1995 00:32:17

: The 1.2 patch does not contain any multiplayer features
: (that is for more than 2 players). I believe we made
: internal changes to support multiplayer for when it becomes
: available.

: Rich/Papyrus

Where can I find the patch to Nascar? (ftp or www is fine).

Thanks

Inder

by **Geoff Ham** » Fri, 17 Mar 1995 03:14:25

: I was hoping there were some bug fixes in the new patch...
: I have 1.1 Nascar and occasionally it just does a core dump
: to the screen and goes to the C: prompt. This has happened
: while selecting garage as well as other times. Sometimes
: it happens when I am not selecting anything, just racing
: along. 486DX2,Trident SVGA,8MB,Low Detail levels,no mem
: manager, soundblaster 16...... anyone else with these type of
: problems with Nascar?

Yes, I have seen the same thing. Usually moving between garage/testing
screens.

486DX2 SVGA - Mach32 1Meg

.gh

Geoff Hamer

Ingenia Communications Corporation
Contractor for CTS - Government of Ontario
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by **Mr. Bryan Winds** » Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:12:06

I have a AMD-DX2-80VLB, trident, 4MB ram and can't get to load. It says that
there isn't enough low memory and clear 34xxxx bytes. But, it will load on my other computer, Cyx486-40VLB, Tomahawk, 8MB ram w/no problems.
Haven't seen the bug though.

Bryan

by **Rob Lussenbu** » Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:21:51

A software salesperson here in the Netherlands offered me the CD-version
1.05 of Indycar Racing. As I already own the basic package v. 1.03e, this
would be tempting for me if the CD contained not only the first 8 tracks,
but also the other 8 that were originally marketed separately in the
expansion packs 1 (7 more tracks) and II (Indianapolis plus a car
painting utility). Somewhere on the net, I read that the CD did indeed
contain everything, but the salesman couldn't find anything on the CD-ROM
package pointing in that direction. Does any of you people know?

Sincerely,

Rob Lussenburg
Rijksuniversiteit Leiden
the Netherlands

by **Doktor FlashB** » Sat, 18 Mar 1995 00:38:37

;>>I was hoping there were some bug fixes in the new patch...
;>>I have 1.1 Nascar and occasionally it just does a core dump
;>>to the screen and goes to the C: prompt. This has happened
;>
;>I think you're getting DOS and UNIX confused. :) At least you didn't
;>call it a GPF. ;)

What makes you think I am speaking of UNIX?

1.1 Nascar ? that is a game and a revision level of same. is that it?
core dump ? surely you know what that is??
screen ? hmmmmmm....
C: prompt ? thats what we call it when we are in dos and the screen says C:

get a clue

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by **Amiri Jone** » Sat, 18 Mar 1995 02:14:37

> ;>>I was hoping there were some bug fixes in the new patch...
> ;>>I have 1.1 Nascar and occasionally it just does a core dump
> ;>>to the screen and goes to the C: prompt. This has happened
> ;>
> ;>I think you're getting DOS and UNIX confused. :) At least you didn't
> ;>call it a GPF. ;)

> What makes you think I am speaking of UNIX?

> 1.1 Nascar ? that is a game and a revision level of same. is that it?
> core dump ? surely you know what that is??
> screen ? hmmmmmm....
> C: prompt ? thats what we call it when we are in dos and the screen says C:

> get a clue

> fb

No, guy... I think it's you who needs to get a clue. He was JOKING
about a UNIX reference because of your use of the term "core dump". When
a UNIX program crashes, at least on the system I use, it dumps a copy of
the memory core into a file named "core", hence the term core dump. If you
look at the end of his sentence, he followed it with ;) which is called an
emoticon, and is used to indicate sarcasm, since a person's tone of voice,
the usual indication of sarcasm, cannot yet be transmitted via USENET/Internet.
Lighten up... :)

AJ

by **Pete Fannin** » Sat, 25 Mar 1995 07:01:05

> a) Yellow flag bugs - Cars whizzing at 300mph into walls, into the grass,
> THROUGH the pit wall, ramming you in your pit stall when you're on the jack,

Tony! Had something happen to me the other day...the darn PACE CAR
tagged me while I was on the jack! I even have a witness. My wife
was standing right behind me and we couldn't believe it. :)

Not even safe from Elmo these days :) :)

Pete Fanning

by **Chris Couls** » Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:04:09

This may not be the place to post this, but does anyone know of any Nascar FTP sites?

Chris Coulson

A

A
:
: > a) Yellow flag bugs - Cars whizzing at 300mph into walls, into the grass,
: > THROUGH the pit wall, ramming you in your pit stall when you're on the jack,

: Tony! Had something happen to me the other day...the darn PACE CAR
: tagged me while I was on the jack! I even have a witness. My wife
: was standing right behind me and we couldn't believe it. :)

: Not even safe from Elmo these days :) :)

: Pete Fanning

by **James D. Lasnets** » Thu, 30 Mar 1995 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: NASCAR & Indycar Racing News!
>Date: 23 Mar 1995 22:01:05 GMT

>> a) Yellow flag bugs - Cars whizzing at 300mph into walls, into the grass,
>> THROUGH the pit wall, ramming you in your pit stall when you're on the jack,
>Tony! Had something happen to me the other day...the darn PACE CAR
>tagged me while I was on the jack! I even have a witness. My wife
>was standing right behind me and we couldn't believe it. :)
>Not even safe from Elmo these days :) :)
>Pete Fanning

by **Guillaume BISAILL** » Tue, 04 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Here's Papyrus FTP:

ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/vendors/papyrus

BTW, a NASCAR Racing version 1.2 update was released last Friday...
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