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Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

Kevi

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Kevi » Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:00:00


>I emailed them as well for replacement springs.  Got a response 2 days
>later.  Its 14 days and still no springs.
>Scott

Ah, so the old Nascar Pro springs finally broke on ya.  How are those wheel
buttons holding out?  Well, the good news is that Thrustmaster has
redesigned the springs, at least that is what the support person said.  It's
supposed to be some kind of double coil design.  The guy claimed that they
would be the last set of springs that you would need.  Unfortunately, they
didn't have them in  two weeks ago when I called for my second set.
--
Kevin
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Kevi

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Kevi » Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:00:00


>I just wanted to post to try to give this group a little perspective. I am
>the Customer Service Manager at ThrustMaster, Inc. Your satisfaction
>guarantees that I have a job. Actually it is more accurate to say that the
>satisfaction of the greatest number of ThrustMaster customers is
>guarantee's my employment. You did not specify how many springs you
>replaced in your T2. That was an acknowledged problem, but it was not a
>problem with 100% of our users. This group needs to realize that a) you
>actually represent a very small portion of the buying community b) you
>admit again and again that you use the daylights out of your products.

On the other hand, I imagine that people in this group are easier on their
wheels than the typical consumer.  More use, but not harse use.  How long
would your wheel last as a demo at a Circuit City for example.

The wheel hasn't been out long enough to see the flood of broken springs
that you will see.  It seems that the springs break after about one month.
This has happened to me twice, and both times, it was after exactly 30 days
of use.  I only race F1RS, and you have to be very gentle on the throttle in
that game.  The support person that I talked to said that you are supplying
a new type of spring now for the Nascar Pro, so there must be some concern
there about the spring problem.  The other problem that shows up with the
Nascar Pro is the wheel buttons.  They stop functioning after a couple of
weeks.  Mine did, and I rarely press these buttons.  People that have opened
the wheel up mentioned rubbing in the column and poor attachment.

I don't have a problem with your support department.  In fact, I've always
received superb service, and this is the reason why I continue to purchase
your products after experiencing problems.  It's your engineering and
testing departments that need work.  I can't imagine that the Nascar Pro was
adequately tested as far as the spring and button problems are concerned.
If you pop the cover off of the Nascar Pro Pedals and see the tremendous
stress that the accelerator pedals are under, I'm suprised that they last
longer than a week.  The only reason that the brake springs don't break is
because they're usually only pressed mildly and never fully depressed.

A threshold problem.  No way.  I believe that you are up to your ears in
broken spring problems.

--
Kevin
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Kevi

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Kevi » Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:00:00



*snip*

Actually, I asked about that. I asked if they could cross ship me a
wheel and was flatly refused.
 Cross-shipping is not an uncommon practice. HDD manufacturers do it
all the time. They take your credit card # as insurance against you
not sending the defective unit back. That could have avoided this
entire scenario.
As it stands now, I'm without a controller for the first 2-3 races in
the NORS98 series.

-Kev
--
nxs.net is the domain and kf-lan is the username

Kevi

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Kevi » Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:00:00

On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:33:49 -0500, "Jerry Morelock"
*snip*

Again, that's funny because I asked if there was a way to expidite the
process. (Cross shipping, etc) and was flatly refused. "No special
treatment."  Perhaps I just got a tech who wasn't willing to work with
me on it?

-Kev
nxs.net is the domain and kf-lan is the username

Kevi

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Kevi » Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:00:00




>>I just wanted to post to try to give this group a little perspective. I am
>>the Customer Service Manager at ThrustMaster, Inc. Your satisfaction
>>guarantees that I have a job. Actually it is more accurate to say that the
>>satisfaction of the greatest number of ThrustMaster customers is
>>guarantee's my employment. You did not specify how many springs you
>>replaced in your T2. That was an acknowledged problem, but it was not a
>>problem with 100% of our users. This group needs to realize that a) you
>>actually represent a very small portion of the buying community b) you
>>admit again and again that you use the daylights out of your products.

>On the other hand, I imagine that people in this group are easier on their
>wheels than the typical consumer.  More use, but not harse use.  How long
>would your wheel last as a demo at a Circuit City for example.

>>Some people have had problems with our springs, but I assure you, I get to
>>see all of the numbers, how many we have sold versus how many springs I
>>have shipped. That number is less than half of a percent. This group sees

>The wheel hasn't been out long enough to see the flood of broken springs
>that you will see.  It seems that the springs break after about one month.
>This has happened to me twice, and both times, it was after exactly 30 days
>of use.  I only race F1RS, and you have to be very gentle on the throttle in
>that game.  The support person that I talked to said that you are supplying
>a new type of spring now for the Nascar Pro, so there must be some concern
>there about the spring problem.  The other problem that shows up with the
>Nascar Pro is the wheel buttons.  They stop functioning after a couple of
>weeks.  Mine did, and I rarely press these buttons.  People that have opened
>the wheel up mentioned rubbing in the column and poor attachment.

>I don't have a problem with your support department.  In fact, I've always
>received superb service, and this is the reason why I continue to purchase
>your products after experiencing problems.  It's your engineering and
>testing departments that need work.  I can't imagine that the Nascar Pro was
>adequately tested as far as the spring and button problems are concerned.
>If you pop the cover off of the Nascar Pro Pedals and see the tremendous
>stress that the accelerator pedals are under, I'm suprised that they last
>longer than a week.  The only reason that the brake springs don't break is
>because they're usually only pressed mildly and never fully depressed.

>>the problem more because they use the wheel more strenuously and
>>consistently than the average user. We should have over designed the
>>springs on the Nascar to accomodate this fact. I was pretty pissed off
>>when we got the first call about broken Nascar springs. I thought we left
>>that problem with the T2. Again, it is a small threshold problem, but one

>A threshold problem.  No way.  I believe that you are up to your ears in
>broken spring problems.

>--
>Kevin
>(Remove the "x-" prefix from my address in order to reply via email)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just for clarification, different Kevin than posted the original.  :)

-Kev
nxs.net is the domain and kf-lan is the username.

Dave Bower

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Dave Bower » Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:00:00


rustmaster.com> writes


>let me know what parts you need with your mailing address.

Now THAT'S customer support :)

--
Dave Bowers

Tadej Krev

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Tadej Krev » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Hi all,


> Had a similar experience. After I had my T2 for about 4 months, both
> springs broke. I wrote them an e-mail, after three weeks had passed

Yes, bad thing about TM's T2 is spring breaking. I broke my springs
after 6months of use. I e-mailed TM asking for new springs. I got answer
in a week or so saying that they'll ship some parts ASAP.
I got new springs (much better ones) in 3 or 4 weeks for no charge and
please note that I live in Europe. I did so 3 or 4 times now, no
problems with sending and all for free.

I wouldn't try to call overseas ;)

I took my T2 apart last month. It was quite a lot of work (every damn
***was glued) taking almost the whole wheel apart. When I got the
potentiometer out, I've opened it and cleaned it thoroughly (both inner
and outer ring) applied some sewing machine oil and put it all back
together. VOILA !!!!
It's like new now. No jerking, very smooth control.

Geez. I hope it doesn't happen to me :))

I also have one GP1, but it feels much cheaper then T2 (I am not saying
that T2 doesn't feel cheap). I like driving with peddals, so I am
sticking to T2 for now. I say it's a good wheel/price. And if you don't
mind spending 2h/4months repairing it :) then go get one. I can't afford
a wheel like TSW or even ECCI. I am not that big fan (and I can achieve
quite good results with my wheel) :)

Regards,

Tadej Krevh

Dave Hawn

Thrustmaster quality/service (or lack thereof)

by Dave Hawn » Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:00:00


> What he said. Every word, except I just received my TSW and it is
> light
> years ahead of anything TM has sold. Had 'em all, repaired 'em all and

> got suckered into buying 'em all. My garage is a TM graveyard. If I
> had
> bought a TSW to begin with it would have been half priced if you
> subtract the three $100+ versions of TM's toys that I bought and
> broke.
> The new Nascar Pro won't last long due to poor parts quality but it is
> a
> good concept poorly executed.

>         The TSW has good on center feel that won't deteriorate over
> time like
> the TM bungee cords do because TSW uses quality springs and a bicycle
> chain-like connector betwween the springs. Gives me a woody whenever I

> hit a chicane on the edge<g>. If you spend a lot of your time on
> racing
> sims make a good economic decision and get a TSW. Support is great and

> you don't it need too!!

>  YMMV but I doubt it.


> Always remember and never forget: "No matter where
> you go...there you are." Buckaroo Banzai


> Snip

I agree, I looked at TM types and decided the engineering was, well....
not good enough!  The answer.......  "Wallys World"  check it
out........

http://www.oz.net/~wottenad/photogal.htm#hawnt

Regards

Dave Hawnt (UK)


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