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CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

Doug Hoo

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Doug Hoo » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:04:04

Came across this at espn.com tonight

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Kai Fulle

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Kai Fulle » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:38:40

Any good reason for waiting all the way till 2004???

It would make sense if the engine manufacturers needed a lot of time for
development, but since these are presumable slightly amped up IRL motors, I
don't see why 2-3 years is necessary.

By the time 2004 rolls around this may look like a bad idea, why not the
2003 or even 2002 season?


Dave Henri

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Dave Henri » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:50:32

  Not a good reason but a reason:  This decision was due about 6 months ago.
CART has gone through a couple of management shakeups and the delays
prevented any decision in time for next year.  The engine manufacturers had
already told CART that it was too late to make any major changes by next
year.  So the soonest CART could implement any new rules package would be
2004.
dave henrie

> Any good reason for waiting all the way till 2004???

> It would make sense if the engine manufacturers needed a lot of time for
> development, but since these are presumable slightly amped up IRL motors,
I
> don't see why 2-3 years is necessary.

> By the time 2004 rolls around this may look like a bad idea, why not the
> 2003 or even 2002 season?



> > Came across this at espn.com tonight

> > http://espn.go.com/rpm/cart/2001/0605/1210027.html

Jason Hoeh

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Jason Hoeh » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:06:42

Their deadline for a new motor was 2003,.... And they have pused it back and
back for years, so the timing is right... Im gonna miss that whine of the
Turbos....

The Champcar and IRL motors will be similar in displacement and block only.
The CART motor will be much closer to teh F1 motor than the IRL motor. There
will be no (bleahh) rev limiters etc. They expect around 16,000 compared to
the IRLs mandate 10,700

I hope it screams like an F1 motor. hopefully this will be a step in the
right direction for CART,... kind of a shame to see the turbo era come to a
close....

But hey, now that they have announced a new formula, maybe they can start
attracting new manufacturers?,... It sounds like Audi and Maserati are
Interested in coming to CART...

use EXCITE.COM instead

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by use EXCITE.COM instead » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:14:40


It's not as simple as just taking off the turbocharger
and the intercooler... As there's already existing size
limits on the engine what would you do with that extra
space?

Personally I've always wanted to see naturally aspirated
engines used more prominently in racing. You don't need
huge RPMs or turbo/super chargers to get high horsepower!

Take some real cars for example... My Ford Contour with
2.5L V6 Duratec engine generates 170 hp. The SVO version
generates 210 hp. It's not the best hp to displacement ratio in
an engine (I think Dodge is the current winner) but it's  pretty
close. The racing Contours in BTCC series generate 300+ hp
from the same engine...

--KC

Sideshow Bo

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Sideshow Bo » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:27:10


: Came across this at espn.com tonight
:

Toyota will love this... there will likely be a lot of parallel development
of CART and F1 (LMP as well?) engine projects.

Olav K. Malm

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:31:52


> > By the time 2004 rolls around this may look like a bad idea, why not the
> > 2003 or even 2002 season?

> Their deadline for a new motor was 2003,.... And they have pused it back and
> back for years, so the timing is right... Im gonna miss that whine of the
> Turbos....

> The Champcar and IRL motors will be similar in displacement and block only.
> The CART motor will be much closer to teh F1 motor than the IRL motor. There
> will be no (bleahh) rev limiters etc. They expect around 16,000 compared to
> the IRLs mandate 10,700

> I hope it screams like an F1 motor. hopefully this will be a step in the
> right direction for CART,... kind of a shame to see the turbo era come to a
> close....

But then the champcars needs a airbox and are going to look like IRL
cars. bleeeeaauuhhh.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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John Bod

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by John Bod » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:14:22




>: Came across this at espn.com tonight
>:

>Toyota will love this... there will likely be a lot of parallel development
>of CART and F1 (LMP as well?) engine projects.

Toyota is probably the driving force behind CART's move away from the
turbo engine formula -- it was announced some time ago that Toyota
will be providing 3.5-liter normally-aspirated engines for the IRL
starting in 2003.  They had said they would continue to provide
engines for CART through 2002, but beyond that, their turbo engine
program was dead, period.

http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/0401toyota1.htm

CART's change

-- JB

John Bod

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by John Bod » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:17:41

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 06:06:42 GMT, "Jason Hoehn"


>> By the time 2004 rolls around this may look like a bad idea, why not the
>> 2003 or even 2002 season?

>Their deadline for a new motor was 2003,.... And they have pused it back and
>back for years, so the timing is right... Im gonna miss that whine of the
>Turbos....

>The Champcar and IRL motors will be similar in displacement and block only.
>The CART motor will be much closer to teh F1 motor than the IRL motor. There
>will be no (bleahh) rev limiters etc. They expect around 16,000 compared to
>the IRLs mandate 10,700

>I hope it screams like an F1 motor. hopefully this will be a step in the
>right direction for CART,... kind of a shame to see the turbo era come to a
>close....

>But hey, now that they have announced a new formula, maybe they can start
>attracting new manufacturers?,... It sounds like Audi and Maserati are
>Interested in coming to CART...

I'd say CART's first two new engine providers after moving to the
3.5-liter formula will be Chevy and Infiniti . . .

-- JB

RegularRace

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by RegularRace » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:34:38

No Rev Limiter eh?    Hmmmmmmm..........
Interesting to see a Ford "Champ Car" engine pulling 18,000rpm...





> >: Came across this at espn.com tonight
> >:

> >Toyota will love this... there will likely be a lot of parallel
development
> >of CART and F1 (LMP as well?) engine projects.

> Toyota is probably the driving force behind CART's move away from the
> turbo engine formula -- it was announced some time ago that Toyota
> will be providing 3.5-liter normally-aspirated engines for the IRL
> starting in 2003.  They had said they would continue to provide
> engines for CART through 2002, but beyond that, their turbo engine
> program was dead, period.

> http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/0401toyota1.htm

> CART's change

> -- JB

Ed Solhei

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Ed Solhei » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:35:22

Oh chrap!

:-(((

ed_


> Came across this at espn.com tonight

> http://espn.go.com/rpm/cart/2001/0605/1210027.html

John Bod

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by John Bod » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:16:21

CART's engine providers -- Toyota, Honda, and Ford -- do not currently
build IRL-spec 3.5-liter normally-aspirated engines for the IRL, so
they will have no engines available for CART until they actually spend
the time to develop them.  The current engines provided for CART by
these manufacturers are 2.65-liter turbos, so there's a lot of
development to be done in order for them to develop new 3.5-liter
engines for competition.

-- JB



>Any good reason for waiting all the way till 2004???

>It would make sense if the engine manufacturers needed a lot of time for
>development, but since these are presumable slightly amped up IRL motors, I
>don't see why 2-3 years is necessary.

>By the time 2004 rolls around this may look like a bad idea, why not the
>2003 or even 2002 season?



>> Came across this at espn.com tonight

>> http://espn.go.com/rpm/cart/2001/0605/1210027.html

Olav K. Malm

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:29:42


> CART's engine providers -- Toyota, Honda, and Ford -- do not currently
> build IRL-spec 3.5-liter normally-aspirated engines for the IRL, so
> they will have no engines available for CART until they actually spend
> the time to develop them.  The current engines provided for CART by
> these manufacturers are 2.65-liter turbos, so there's a lot of
> development to be done in order for them to develop new 3.5-liter
> engines for competition.

But all three manufacturer got some whooping F1 technology to put into
it. Honda has officially said that the reason they don't do IRL is
that it is not technologically interesting. A rev-unlimited 3.5 L N/A
engine on the other hand. There are two problems as I see it
though. There is no was of reducing power on a N/A engine without
either using a restrictor or rev-limitier. Both are not good for
racing. Second, I just can't imagine a Reynard and Lola champcar
chassis with a huge airbox behind the driver, uuuueeehhhh.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Andrew

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Andrew » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:22:53



SVT not SVO and they generate between 195-205 depending upon the year.  I
prefer naturally aspirated race cars as well.  Maybe CART will place more
emphasis on racing and less on fuel conservation iin 2004.

Rob Swindell

CART to drop Turbo's in 2004

by Rob Swindell » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:39:24

As long as there's a standard fuel capacity and you're competing with another
person(s) there'll always be a fuel 'issue' surely??




> > Take some real cars for example... My Ford Contour with
> > 2.5L V6 Duratec engine generates 170 hp. The SVO version
> > generates 210 hp. It's not the best hp to displacement ratio in
> > an engine (I think Dodge is the current winner) but it's  pretty
> > close. The racing Contours in BTCC series generate 300+ hp
> > from the same engine...

> SVT not SVO and they generate between 195-205 depending upon the year.  I
> prefer naturally aspirated race cars as well.  Maybe CART will place more
> emphasis on racing and less on fuel conservation iin 2004.

--
Rob Swindells
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