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by **Denn** » Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> I've been following various threads on the problems with the Ferrari in
> the hope of a solution, and have pretty much had to give up playing GPL
> because of the wheel. I get exactly the same problems as Eric.

> Always happens after about 10-15 minutes, and the steering goes very
> heavy, and sometimes also feels like there is a wide 'lump' to steer
> over at the centre of the wheel.

> Last night when this happened, I exited GPL with the wheel turned hard
> right where it stayed, and went to the controller panel and when
> entering properties, the wheel centered, with the correct (zero)
> resistance when steering. But on exiting the panel, the wheel went back
> hard right, with the heavy resistance. It's as if there is a FF command
> the wheel gets stuck with, and whilst it can be cleared, the controller
> panel returns the wheel to the state it was in before entering it. I
> can only assume it is a bug in the wheel drivers, as no other FF wheel
> seems to experience the problems.

> I too have the updated FF drivers, and they made no difference. Same
> spec as Eric apart from English GPL and using a V3 3000.

Hum, I thought I was the only one having this problem. The FF disappears
after a while (haven't gotten that heavy resistance problem yet). Do any of
you also have a problem when using the Ferrari wheel in non-FF mode, it
is never centered correctly, always steering slightly to the left when the
wheel is centered.

When it's working, it feels great, but it never works for a very long time :-(

Dennis.

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>> Eric, there is no incompatibility. This is the first we've heard of this.
>> What are your controller panel and core.ini settings? When the wheel is
>> working, does it feel okay?

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I guess I should have been more clear. When I said "you definately feel the
damper from controller panel.." I meant you 'feel the damper in from
controller panel while playing the game". I suppose I should say, I feel it
with the Ferrari and Force RS wheels, not 'you' feel it. But, in games where
I use Damping Gain, mainly SCGT, N3 and GPL, it certainly makes a big
difference and I do feel the damping, as I should. In games without (or not
using) FF, Damping Gain and Spring Gain make no difference. It only works
while using FF.

Slot

> You feel the damper in Control Panel, but not in games where FF is used.
It
> is switched off and left to the control of the FF effects.
> Iain

> > You definately feel the damper from controller panel. Quite strong.

> > Sorry to hear the wheel quit ;..( With the beatings FF devices take,
> I'm
> > surprised it doesn't happen more often. Does applying default spring
have
> > any effect, or is it just plain dead?

> > Slot

> > > Slot,

> > > I thought the damping gain in the controller panel would only be
> relevant
> > if
> > > the game sends damping forces to the controller? Does GPL really
> generate
> > > damping forces in addition to the vector forces?

> > > Anyway, it'll be a while before I can do more testing as my Ferrari
> wheel
> > > just quit generating any forces at all (after only about 15 hours of
> use).
> > > Reinstalled the drivers and I still don't even get forces in the "Test
> > > Forces" section of the controller panel.

> > > Eric

> > > > GPL does use Constant Force programming (Vector Forces in I-force
> > Studio)
> > > > which, of course, is why the Spring Gain should have no effect, but
> > Damper
> > > > Gain is not, ummm..... Anti-Spring Gain ( for lack of a better
term).
> > It's
> > > > independent of spring forces. Unfortunately, damper is a term that
> > seems to
> > > > have several meanings in games, and isn't always the same thing as
the
> > > > Damper in Windows controller panel. The controller panel Damper
> setting
> > adds
> > > > viscosity to your wheel.

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The drivers are standard I-Force drivers. Identical to the Force RS driver.
In fact, you can run either wheel with either driver.

So, is the problem that the wheel likes to*** to one side instead of
centering? It turns ***e way and easy the other? Like the forces are not
even on each side of the wheel?

Slot

> I've been following various threads on the problems with the Ferrari in
> the hope of a solution, and have pretty much had to give up playing GPL
> because of the wheel. I get exactly the same problems as Eric.

> Always happens after about 10-15 minutes, and the steering goes very
> heavy, and sometimes also feels like there is a wide 'lump' to steer
> over at the centre of the wheel.

> Last night when this happened, I exited GPL with the wheel turned hard
> right where it stayed, and went to the controller panel and when
> entering properties, the wheel centered, with the correct (zero)
> resistance when steering. But on exiting the panel, the wheel went back
> hard right, with the heavy resistance. It's as if there is a FF command
> the wheel gets stuck with, and whilst it can be cleared, the controller
> panel returns the wheel to the state it was in before entering it. I
> can only assume it is a bug in the wheel drivers, as no other FF wheel
> seems to experience the problems.

> I too have the updated FF drivers, and they made no difference. Same
> spec as Eric apart from English GPL and using a V3 3000.

> I bought the wheel for GPL and it's really annoying to have it ruin the
> game for me.

> > Eric, there is no incompatibility. This is the first we've heard of
> this.
> > What are your controller panel and core.ini settings? When the wheel
> is
> > working, does it feel okay?

> > Slot

> > > There seems to be an incompatibility of Sierra GPL 1.2.0.1 and the
> > Guillemot
> > > Ferrari Force Feedback wheel:

> > > Force Feedback works fine for a while. Then one of two things
> happens. 1:
> > > The resistance when turning the wheel right disappears. Or 2: The
> > resistance
> > > when turning the wheel right suddenly is much higher, centering the
> wheel
> > > even when the car is standing still or laying upside down. When
> turning
> > the
> > > wheel left, forces are rendered as usual. Shift-R or returning to
> the pits
> > > does not help. After canceling the race and starting a new one,
> everything
> > > works fine again.

> > > My configuration:

> > > German GPL, updated to 1.2.0.1, OpenGL patch installed.
> > > Ferrari Force Feedback wheel with driver update 1.2.3 installed,
> connected
> > > via USB
> > > Windows 98SE, DirectX 7.0a

> > > Eric

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by II » Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:00:00

No like I say, and it seems to be much the same for Eric, after 10-15
mins, it goes *really* heavy with the 'lump' in the centre, like a
single force command is stuck. (Sometime's it goes slack with the
'lump'). I only just discovered the night before the last post that
entering the controller panel returns it to normal, until the panel is
exited. Though this might give a clue as to the cause.

It's only happens in GPL. I play Rally Championship and other FF games
for long periods of time with no problems.

I know the wheel isn't centered properly, and will get round to fixing
that with your instructions soon. But this is definately not connected
to that problem.

I knew I should have bought the Act Labs :o( I liked the physical wheel
and (standard) shifter of the Ferrari better though.

> So, is the problem that the wheel likes to*** to one side instead of
> centering? It turns ***e way and easy the other? Like the forces
are not
> even on each side of the wheel?

> Slot

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