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by **Don Wilsh** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

He He....

Don Wilshe..... Still Love the Game.... Guess its cause I am just a drag
racer... Thats what I do at NASCAR... Fastlaps, Quals and Sprints..

Don Wilshe

> >> Trev, that is a silly statement.. Lots of people drive Nascar2 in F10
> Mode
> >> and love it..

> >Lots of people wouldn't drive Nascar2 at all if
> >the F10 view were the ONLY option.

> Exactly.

> "A kill has been recorded". Opps, wrong NG :-)

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by **Don Wilsh** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Greg and Trips you make a good point.. We have heard you believe me
loud and clear. I am sure it will get strong consideration in BURN-OUT II.

There still might be 1 or 2 that would buy nascar if the***put view doesnt

exist. After all we have also been putting up with a bad prospective and
and bad views out of that***pit since the inception of it.. Dont you
love that view at BRISTOL.. I think that INDYCAR II view and prospective
is 10 times better than NASCAR. Dam, I miss RICK GENTER!!!

Don Wilshe

> >> Trev, that is a silly statement.. Lots of people drive Nascar2 in F10
> Mode
> >> and love it..

> >Lots of people wouldn't drive Nascar2 at all if
> >the F10 view were the ONLY option.

> Exactly.

> "A kill has been recorded". Opps, wrong NG :-)

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by **Greg Cisk** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

>Greg and Trips you make a good point.. We have heard you believe me
>loud and clear. I am sure it will get strong consideration in BURN-OUT II.

FWIW, I have not ruled out Burnout because of no***pit view.
It will most likely be if bracket racing is all you can do. I want
to compete in a Funny car or Top Fuel meet. I am not interested
in giving a VW Bug a 15 second head start if you know what I
mean. And I do believe that is the essence of bracket racing.
If I am wrong please explain it properly :-)

doesnt

Right one or two, not 100,000 or 200,000.

Frankly I never used it.

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by **Don Wilsh** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Greg:

Funny Car and Top Fuel are there... Check out the web
pages at http://www.racesimcentral.net/.. It has screen shots of
all the pages and views of the cars... Robert Platt set
fast speed at 331 MPH, 4.46 in TOP FUEL car.. That
fast enough for you....

Don

> >Greg and Trips you make a good point.. We have heard you believe me
> >loud and clear. I am sure it will get strong consideration in BURN-OUT II.

> FWIW, I have not ruled out Burnout because of no***pit view.
> It will most likely be if bracket racing is all you can do. I want
> to compete in a Funny car or Top Fuel meet. I am not interested
> in giving a VW Bug a 15 second head start if you know what I
> mean. And I do believe that is the essence of bracket racing.
> If I am wrong please explain it properly :-)

> >There still might be 1 or 2 that would buy nascar if the***put view
> doesnt

> Right one or two, not 100,000 or 200,000.

> >exist. After all we have also been putting up with a bad prospective and
> >and bad views out of that***pit since the inception of it.. Dont you
> >love that view at BRISTOL.. I think that INDYCAR II view and prospective

> Frankly I never used it.

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by **Robert Platt** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Don one correction here it was 4.75 at 337 in a 66 Mustang back in beta
3.0,best I can get now is a 5.7 at 225 in a rail car and 6.4 at 197 in the
Mustang.

Robert "GT86" Platts
BlackHole MotorSports

>Greg:

>Funny Car and Top Fuel are there... Check out the web
>pages at http://www.racesimcentral.net/.. It has screen shots of
>all the pages and views of the cars... Robert Platt set
>fast speed at 331 MPH, 4.46 in TOP FUEL car.. That
>fast enough for you....

>Don

>> >Greg and Trips you make a good point.. We have heard you believe me
>> >loud and clear. I am sure it will get strong consideration in BURN-OUT
II.

>> FWIW, I have not ruled out Burnout because of no***pit view.
>> It will most likely be if bracket racing is all you can do. I want
>> to compete in a Funny car or Top Fuel meet. I am not interested
>> in giving a VW Bug a 15 second head start if you know what I
>> mean. And I do believe that is the essence of bracket racing.
>> If I am wrong please explain it properly :-)

>> >There still might be 1 or 2 that would buy nascar if the***put view
>> doesnt

>> Right one or two, not 100,000 or 200,000.

>> >exist. After all we have also been putting up with a bad prospective
and
>> >and bad views out of that***pit since the inception of it.. Dont you
>> >love that view at BRISTOL.. I think that INDYCAR II view and
prospective

>> Frankly I never used it.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

>Don one correction here it was 4.75 at 337 in a 66 Mustang back in beta
>3.0,best I can get now is a 5.7 at 225 in a rail car and 6.4 at 197 in the
>Mustang.

But are the sub-5 times possible now? Also I did download the viewer
so I do know what cars are modeled. When I clicked the burnout button
there was lots of smoke, but the rears did not deform and get tall & narrow.
Is that how it is in the game? This matters since it affects topspeed and
everything else as far as I know (if it is modeled properly).

Also, can I have race a whole race against funnycars? Or is it all
bracket racing?

Thanks!

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by **John Walla** » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

How do you "drag race" in a NASCAR? Is that like sitting on the grid
at Marty with pantyhose and a light summer dress on? ;-)

Cheers!
John

by **Pete** » Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Greg, I would say yes! As last night I hit a 5.09. Although,
you can't see tires grow and deform, this is taken into account with
physics model. And yes you can race fast cars only. Right now
I have the field covered pretty good at hardest level. Still easy to
hit the wall or cross center line unless I detune it a touch.

Regards, Pete

> But are the sub-5 times possible now? Also I did download the viewer
> so I do know what cars are modeled. When I clicked the burnout button
> there was lots of smoke, but the rears did not deform and get tall &
narrow.
> Is that how it is in the game? This matters since it affects topspeed and
> everything else as far as I know (if it is modeled properly).

> Also, can I have race a whole race against funnycars? Or is it all
> bracket racing?

> Thanks!

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by **Trevor C Thoma** » Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:00:00

> >He He....

> >Don Wilshe..... Still Love the Game.... Guess its cause I am just a drag
> >racer... Thats what I do at NASCAR...

> How do you "drag race" in a NASCAR? Is that like sitting on the grid
> at Marty with pantyhose and a light summer dress on? ;-)

> Cheers!
> John

John, good one, wish I had said that :)!

Trev

by **<r.laughli..** » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Hey, if you use the over the hood view of the car, it is about as close as
you can get to a***pit view, and it looks pretty good too. The game is
fantastic. Being able to build different engines and see HP and Torque
curves is awesome.

>>Trev:

>>> Bob, you can say what you like, a sim is not a sim with no***pit view!
>>> Tantrum has it in NDR and it works very well, besides you get a lot more
>>> viewing area in a door slammer than you do in a flopper!

>>Trev, that is a silly statement.. Lots of people drive Nascar2 in F10 Mode
>>and love it.. Its like saying that a manufacture that doesnt use DIGITAL
>>POTS doesnt really make a steering system. I tell you what the people
that
>>bought the BURNOUT are really e***d about it.. It is a great pleasure
>>to drive!!!

>>Don Wilshe

> Don, Trev didn't say anything about people driving outside the car, some
>people may love to race Nascar2 in F10 mode and the opportunity is there
for
>them. But if it doesn't have an incar view, its not a sim.
> Todd.

by **Mach** » Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:00:00

This has got to be one of the most un-educated arguements I have ever heard:
"But if it doesn't have an incar view, its not a sim"

In N2 your car cant flip. Does that make it any less a sim? In GP2 the car
doesnt erupt into peices when you graze a wall. Does that make it any less a
sim?

Are you trying to tell me that if Bethesda did make an in-car veiw then it
would be a sim? Because if that is the case, hell, I know that Bethesda has
plans to come up with that in car view for you all that just HAS to have a
bracket racing sim have a dashboard as well.

Do you realize what 'SIM' means? It is short for Simulate. If a company
represents a car, or a sport in a realistic manner than it would be
SIMULATED. Because Bethesda simulated bracket racing and not dashboards does
not make it any less a sim than N2 or any other driving sim.
In fact, the car that I drive in the Sears Point sportsman races doesnt have
a dashboard. Does that make it any less a car?

It is a bracket racing sim, not a dashboard sim guys, get over it and just
have fun. For the people that refuse to buy this SIM just for the fact that
there is no in-car veiw.... it sounds like you just want an arcade game to
go as fast as you can and wreck and then laugh about it all afterwards. You
dont want to have a great SIM that challenges you when it comes to building
a motor, transmission, suspension, or anything else with SIMULATING a
bracket car. If that is what you really want, then you WILL go purchase
BURNOUT! Because that is exactly what it is, a racing SIM.

You know what would make BURNOUT a non-sim? If you did not have hundreds, if
not thousands, of setup choices. Hell, N2 only allows you to setup the
basics of a Winston Cup car. BURNOUT lets you set up so much more. Those
setup choices would make it more a sim than most games on the market
today......realism makes a sim, not in-car veiws.

Im done.....

by **q..** » Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:00:00

I overall was dissapointed with Burnout.

I believe the car setup controls are not realistic at all and the speeds
that such setups get is very overrated.

Throw in the terrible sound and sense of speed and this game missed it's
mark.

Built a buddies Barracuda with this game, he gets mid 12's with his
rev'd up 340 in this game it runs eights. Right.

Bethdesa is on the right track, maybe next year!

Q.B.M.

by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

>This has got to be one of the most un-educated arguements I have ever
heard:
>"But if it doesn't have an incar view, its not a sim"

>In N2 your car cant flip. Does that make it any less a sim? In GP2 the car
>doesnt erupt into peices when you graze a wall. Does that make it any less
a
>sim?

No it doesn't. Burnout's biggest flaw is a 5 second 66 mustang. In fact
you can build a card that is so unrealistic it is quite funny. FWIW, the
front bumper view is quite a good replacement for a***pit view.

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by **Bethesda** » Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:00:00

A playable demo of BURNOUT is now available for download from the
PC Gamer web site (www.pcgamer.com).

Bethesda Softworks

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