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'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

Greg Hellman

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Greg Hellman » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00

It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among
sim drivers.
However,  i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ?

Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other
person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote.
One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though  :-)

So, is there anybody out there ?
anyone who's tried in vain  ( to get better lap times using two feet )
anyone that feels the same
is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of
one-foot driving ?

How do ya feel about that ?
Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue.

--
Greg Hellmann

"Cause when the feelin's right,
  i'm gonna race all night."

Gunsling

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Gunsling » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00



I drive with 1 foot.
That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal
to drive like that in sims.

--
-Gunslinger-

John Bod

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by John Bod » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00





>>It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among
>>sim drivers.
>>However,  i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ?

>I drive with 1 foot.
>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal
>to drive like that in sims.

Ditto.  Can't do it with two feet, in fact.

-- JB

Grant Reev

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Grant Reev » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


> It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among
> sim drivers.
> However,  i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ?

> Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other
> person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote.
> One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though  :-)

In sims I drive with both feet, left on the brake, right on the
throttle.
But that's because there's no clutch to otherwise keep my left foot
occupied! :)
Same with F1 drivers - they don't need to use their left foot for a
clutch so
almost all of them left foot brake now.
Also, most pedal units for computers are not very well designed and you
can't
comfortably heel-toe with them.
But in my real car, my left foot lives on the clutch and my right foot
does all that heel-toe double clutch downshifting stuff. Although I do
admit to
only getting pedals installed about 1 week ago that allow me to
heel-toe, so I'm
not particularly great at it yet :)
I'd love to see a really well designed solidly built pedal unit,
including a
clutch, and sims that properly support the clutch, then I'd definitely
go for
it in sims!

Grant.

asgeir nes?e

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by asgeir nes?e » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00

Driving with one foot does not take the sense out of separate axis, not at all! I'm
one hundred % sure that that the drivers of the era pressed the brakes and gas at
the same time. That is why we have a heel-toe technique, to be able to press the
throttle while braking (to change gears more effectively, and to adjust amount of
oversteer during turn-in), and I am pretty sure they pressed the brakes while
standing heavily on the throttle.

And in the turns where they didn't have to change, I think their left foot was all
over the place. I think that trailbraking was almost a must for the drivers in -67
to go really fast. I think I read somewhere that Jim Clarke was outstanding in the
fact that he braked further into the corner than anyone else, and how do you do
that effectively? Trailbraking!

I read from Taruffis book how to cope with the pedals, and he explains in detail
the different techniques for the different kind of pedal setups. Obviously with
trailbraking in mind.

I used to be a one foot sim racer, but I discovered that I became a little bit
faster with left foot braking, and WAAAAAY more consistent. When you have control
over the throttle and brake at the same time, you are in the optimum postition to
control the car. Take that fast left before the hairpin at Rouen, the only way to
go through there fast is trailbraking, and pretty heavily so!

No matter, left foot braking or not: Separate axis is a must, at least in GPL...

---Asgeir---


> It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among
> sim drivers.
> However,  i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ?

> Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other
> person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote.
> One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though  :-)

> So, is there anybody out there ?
> anyone who's tried in vain  ( to get better lap times using two feet )
> anyone that feels the same
> is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of
> one-foot driving ?

> How do ya feel about that ?
> Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue.

> --
> Greg Hellmann

> "Cause when the feelin's right,
>   i'm gonna race all night."

Tore Hanso

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Tore Hanso » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00

I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is
very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability
yet.

Tore


>It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre***
among
>sim drivers.
>However,  i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one
foot ?

>Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other
>person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote.
>One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though
:-)

>So, is there anybody out there ?
>anyone who's tried in vain  ( to get better lap times using two feet )
>anyone that feels the same
>is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go
of
>one-foot driving ?

>How do ya feel about that ?
>Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue.

>--
>Greg Hellmann

>"Cause when the feelin's right,
>  i'm gonna race all night."

Matthew Birger Knutse

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Matthew Birger Knutse » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


> I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is
> very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability
> yet.

Well, Zanardi certinly doesn't hang about in go karts..and basically,
it's the same :-)

Matt

--

Matthew Knutsen

"The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
http://www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/

Driver

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Driver » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00

Same here, I drive with one foot.

Driver

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Driver » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00

The Logitech unit works very well for heel-toe action. I can't even imagine
driving with both feet, although I would probably get faster over time.
Steve

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Steve » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00

I'm using the Logitech WingMan FF -- using both feet.  A nice feature with
these pedals is the foot rest.  It's described in their advertising as the
'dead-pedal foot rest lets you keep your left foot near the breaks for fast
corners or emergency stops'.  I like it for road courses that have long
straight sections (e.g. Laguna Seca).

I agree that these pedals do work well for heel-toe as well with just the
right amount of space between the gas and break.  Prior to these pedals I
was using the CH pedals for sim-driving and always felt like I was in a toy
pedal car and were not the best design for heel-toe.  On the other hand the
CH pedals provide a greater range of motion (and work great for
flight-sims).

Cheers,

Steve


^Frett

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by ^Frett » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00

I drive with no feet...


> Same here, I drive with one foot.

> >>I drive with 1 foot.
> >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal
> >>to drive like that in sims.

> >Ditto.  Can't do it with two feet, in fact.

> >-- JB

> >>--
> >>-Gunslinger-

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Bruno Amar

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Bruno Amar » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00

Two footer here - even in my real car. You get greater precision in
accelerating from a stop point. I enjoy driving with my left on the brake
and my right on the gas (automatic of course).



> > I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is
> > very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability
> > yet.

> Well, Zanardi certinly doesn't hang about in go karts..and basically,
> it's the same :-)

> Matt

John Bod

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by John Bod » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00



How 'bout this:  "Look ma, no hands!"

;-)

(How's the CompUSA wheel holding up, Thom?)

-- JB


>> Same here, I drive with one foot.

>> >>I drive with 1 foot.
>> >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal
>> >>to drive like that in sims.

>> >Ditto.  Can't do it with two feet, in fact.

>> >-- JB

>> >>--
>> >>-Gunslinger-

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^Frett

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by ^Frett » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00

Yep John I do; Can't use my feet/legs so I gotta' use paddles on the wheel
but I believe you know this already from our correspondance.. ;0)
Its either a TM Nascar Sprint or CompUSA's {Now $29.00+tax} wheel.
Can't beat neither for the money. If you sim racers wanna a real challange;
race with gas/brake, shift-up/down, clutch & also steer with just 2 hands!
"look ma, no feet!" ;0)
Cheers Thom_j. aka ^Fretts..




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> How 'bout this:  "Look ma, no hands!"

> ;-)

> (How's the CompUSA wheel holding up, Thom?)

> -- JB


> >> Same here, I drive with one foot.

> >> >>I drive with 1 foot.
> >> >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal
> >> >>to drive like that in sims.

> >> >Ditto.  Can't do it with two feet, in fact.

> >> >-- JB

> >> >>--
> >> >>-Gunslinger-

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Toni Lassi

'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

by Toni Lassi » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00

I'm doing it with GPL since the TM Sprint pedals are so crappy.


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