rec.autos.simulators

Here here!! Anyone remember the***pit view in the Sega coin-o Virtua
Racing?? That had hands and I quite liked that, I suppose it does
sepend on whether you believe *you're* driving the simulated car. Or
whether you are controlling the simulated *driver* in the simulated
car....

very interesting way to look at it!!

ss

It's really a matter of subjective likes and dislikes, so Papy should
just make it an option and everyone's happy. I hope, it didn't bother
you too much that I disagree, like one of the guys was suggesting?! 8^)

l8er
ronny

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On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:55:04 -0500, Nanker Pheldge

Joel Willstein

One feature I want is better Car management in N2.  I have a problem
with the number of cars in the screen you can choose from.  Another
thing is more than 39 cars on certain tracks.  No pit wall at taladega
and many other track corrections.  The ability to move cameras on the
replay.  Maybe an option to set up cameras before the race.  Better
sounds, smoke effects, more damage to the car.  Right now I think the
damage is a little light when you brush the wall.  Tire marks on the
sides of cars so you know to watch out for certain unstable drivers.  AI
incidental contact wrecks.  I would rather have a flag man actually
waving the flags from the stand instead of in the car.  Have more flags
too that they have in the race.  Black flag numbers should be hung from
the stand.  The blue-yellow.  Maybe add injurys.  Out for so many races
during a championship season.  Drivers would be alot more cautious on
NRO.  Injuries to other drivers too during season.  Better graphical
analysis of cars performance.  More setup options.  Definite ability to
watch NRO races.  Might as well have a director position.  Others watch
as the director chooses cameras for certain action.  Have a bunch of tv
screens with all the angles and the director chooses the one shot he
wants to display on one big screen.  For future use in NRO history.

That's all for now,
John Flowers

 Comments and FLAMES are welcome!!  By e-mail
& newsgroup!

boy oh boy, some ones a little testy....

steve..hehe   :)

About all of this ARM's thing, my Father is an ex-race car driver from
the NEW JERSEY area(Wall Stadium, and other surrounding tracks), and
he said that HAVING your hands shown in the SIM would be VERY
benificial to the driver, and he could NEVER understand WHY they
weren't in NASCAR1 and NASCAR2, and ICR2!?!?!?!?  So, from an REAL
RACERS point of View, it IS better to have the Hands in the GAME, they
WILL halp you(if you know HOW to sense what is going on) with the
handling of your car!!!  BTW, my dad raced against Geoff Bodine(and
the other Bodine's(whom he hated and still does), Harry Gant, Ray
EveringHam and others!!!  Comments and FLAMES are welcome!!  By e-mail
& newsgroup!

Thanks,
Tom Wardell
Starting Line-Up
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171/index.html

On Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:33:34 +0100, "Matthew B.Knutsen"

Around Loews at Monaco is one of the few times a driver actually
crosses over his arms, although there are plenty of times when you
have a lot of lock applied. At those times in any other sim you can
still look down and check your gauges. You can't do this in a single
seater***pit because your (you guessed it!) ARMS are in the way.

I'd guess it should be an option that people can turn off if they
really hate it, but I would ask people to remember that the only
people complaining about this are those that HAVEN'T seen it in
action. The people who have and who have posted here either never
mentioned it as a problem or described it as a definite plus.

At least give it a chance to actually be ***before you decide that
it is!

Cheers!
John

l8er
ronny

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          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

Well, here's from another real racer too...

I cannot think of what hands onna wheel would have done to improve
driveability in either of the mentioned games. When racing, both in sim,
and real life, you don't watch your arms!! Your eyes are scanning up the
road, all over the place, flashing past the gauges from time to time...
I remember when I first drove a car (bouncing an Escort along the road
at the age of 11) I would even watch my arms when I shifted..I wonder
why I stopped doing that:)
So here's how I figure it:

The arms on-screen are turning the wheel, giving lots of lock, and still
the car won't turn properly. AHA! push! How come I didn't think of that
when my T2 was at full lock at the same time....?

Seriously, I can (with some goodwill added) see that keyboard and
joystick users would like the feature, but, as mentioned here several
times, *it must be an option*.

And, how realistic will it be anyway? Going through La Source and other
tight hairpins in those cars, the drivers surely had to change their
grip a bit about? The cars had a fair bit of lock back then...

It would be exciting indeed to hear the argument *for* the hands, by a
driver....?

All the Best,
Looking forward to the release!!

Matt

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I may not be a real race car driver, but I do race solo2 and solo1 in a
t-bird SC, any way if you have time to look at your hands you aren't going
fast enough.

                            Denny M

Matt

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Solo is great fun, just grab your daily driver and 15 or 20 dollars for the
day and go have fun, you get to meet a nice bunch of people and have a good
time in the process. Its like going to the local amu***t park and driving
the rollar coaster.

Denny M

I agree, I never raced Solo's (Ive raced GT-1, spec racers, and s2000)
and I think Solo's are great for those who dont have the money, time, or
desire to go "real" racing.  It gives anyone a chance to learn how to
drive a car to its fullest. (Anyone need a driver for SCCA ??? ;) ).

If you have that desire, give it a try... Ill bet you will love it !!!

Scott B. Husted
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted

you mssed 2 bigs ones in my book

Oil and debree on the track the you may hit and cause trouble
Provisional system simular to winston cup