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><Snilp>
>Hmm can't ever remember going so hard into a turn that i crashed and killed
>myself to find the limit in real racing:)

>Matt

>>THAT is not hotlapping. There is no "real life" equivalent to
>>hotlapping, it is a false comparison.

>I've heard the term used in "real life" racing before.  It just means
>being on the track by yourself, going as fast as you can.

>> It's the one that take the pole and the ones who try to take the pole...
and
>> hotllapping is done during qualifying... You're also hotlapping when
you're
>> trying to catch a driver in front of you and you're a couple of seconds
down
>> and think you can catch him before the finish... Really I though you knew
>> all this ;o).

>> /Christer

>Hmm can't ever remember going so hard into a turn that i crashed and killed
>myself to find the limit in real racing:)

>Matt

>> >Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife
racing
>> is?

>> >;-)

>> >---Asgeir---

>> >> I know that Todd, but the ones who scream about unrealistic setups
will
>> be
>> >> shut :o). It will also make this hotlap competition more realistic and
I
>> bet
>> >> most hotlappers are in favour of this.

>> >> /Christer

>> >> > Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people
will
>> >> >still hold the 10 fastest laps

>> >> >>Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
>> >> >>could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
>> >> >>suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
>> >> >>inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
>> >> >>claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
>> >> >>around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
>> >> >>minimum 4.5 at the rear.

>> >> >>/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
>> >> >>realistic ride heights :o)

>--
>Matthew Birger Knutsen

>Cheek Racing Cars
>http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:50:13 GMT, "Christer Andersson"

> >>Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife racing
> >>is?

> >It's the one that take the pole and the ones who try to take the pole... and
> >hotllapping is done during qualifying... You're also hotlapping when you're
> >trying to catch a driver in front of you and you're a couple of seconds down
> >and think you can catch him before the finish... Really I though you knew
> >all this ;o).

> THAT is not hotlapping. There is no "real life" equivalent to
> hotlapping, it is a false comparison.

> Cheers!
> John

>I thought hotlapping in sim racing was about going as fast as possible
>on one lap, and I thought qualifying in real racing was about going as
>fast as possible on one lap? Or do we have to expand the definition
>before we see that there are actually differencies :o).

> There are a lot of guys who will at a new track find the edge by over
> cooking corners a bit.   Its a fast way to find limits, but it can be
> expensive if you are not very very good.  I remember watching a Formula
> Ford Hotshoe at Lake Afton one year doing that to find out how far he could
> push it in every corner.  The SCCA had a pro race that year paying 25 grand
> to the winner, so a lot of guys came that had never seen that little track
> before.  It was fun to watch therse guys reel the cars back in after really
> overcooking some of the corners.  At turn 10 I really thought a few of
> where gonna end up in the spillway, a few times.  I prefer slowly exploring
> the limits, but then again I am not that fast.

> Ballooning involves going up in the air - is it then the same as
> flying Concorde or jumping on a ***oline? We don't need to expand
> the definition, we just need an appropriate one.

> Hotlapping involves the ultimate single fastest lap which you can do,
> taking the car to your absolute limit. In sim-racing that limit is
> defined by trial and error - you KNOW where it is. You may then run
> however many laps necessary until you can take that chicane in fifth
> gear, clatter over the kerbs and not bounce into the wall.

> In real life qualifying you need to do the fastest lap you can given
> the limited number of runs you've had, given that you need that car in
> one piece to race the next day, given that you need yourself in one
> piece to go home the next day.

> Hotlapping is a blend of patience and skill - qualifying blends
> caution, courage and skill. The components of caution and courage do
> not exist in sim-racing, although they play a huge part in real life.

> Cheers!
> John

>the Ring and the setup he used uses ride heights of 3.75 and 4.25 front and
>rear respectively. I think this guy is just plain blazing quick. I tried his
>setup and have adopted it as the basic(start point) setup for every track.
>Of particular interest to me was his use of extreme negative toe-in for the
>front. This really helped me with controllability. I'm not even in the same
>league time wise though. He smokes.

> This appears to be the Bottom Line for each sim driver!!
> "Individual Preferences".. No More.. No Less..
> Cheers Thom_j.

> > Maybe it's just WW's preferences,