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GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

Christer Andersso

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Christer Andersso » Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
minimum 4.5 at the rear.

/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
realistic ride heights :o)

Jesse Blac

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Jesse Blac » Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:00:00

To add to this, when you hit rumble strips or run off the track, your bump
stops dont hit and it accepts the jolt better and thus you can hold on to
the car and it makes the car much easier to handle.


>I've been running these heights for a few weeks on the Brabham and the
Lotus
>(at Monza and Spa).  I'm not as quick as the best but then I wasn't with
low
>heights either.  What I notice is that I can pull it all back together when
>needed with a lurid oversteering slide where perviously I would be
backwards
>thru the hedges.  I am hoping that these setups willl come to the fore in
>longer races.  Now, if I could just stay connected for longer races!

>Ben



>> Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
>> could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
>> suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
>> inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
>> claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
>> around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
>> minimum 4.5 at the rear.

>> /Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
>> realistic ride heights :o)

Ben

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Ben » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I've been running these heights for a few weeks on the Brabham and the Lotus
(at Monza and Spa).  I'm not as quick as the best but then I wasn't with low
heights either.  What I notice is that I can pull it all back together when
needed with a lurid oversteering slide where perviously I would be backwards
thru the hedges.  I am hoping that these setups willl come to the fore in
longer races.  Now, if I could just stay connected for longer races!

Ben


T.Galvi

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by T.Galvi » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

 Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
still hold the 10 fastest laps

>Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
>could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
>suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
>inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
>claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
>around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
>minimum 4.5 at the rear.

>/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
>realistic ride heights :o)

Neil Rain

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Neil Rain » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>  Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
> still hold the 10 fastest laps

I'm sure you're right, but if they did them with more realistic setups,
it would be easier to try to emulate the hotlap by watching the replay
and using their setup, I believe.

At least, I hope so - I tried Wolfgang Woeger's Brands Hatch setup
(1:32.97 in the Lotus) and it was an absolute *nightmare*!

It took me 10 laps before I went round without crashing, and even then I
was 2 seconds over my best time (1:36.87) (which I can get near pretty
consistently in the more "realistic" Ricardo Nunnini setup).

Maybe it's just WW's preferences, but I suspect that the extreme
oversteer had something to do with the low ride height (perhaps it runs
on the bump stops?).

Christer Andersso

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Christer Andersso » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I know that Todd, but the ones who scream about unrealistic setups will be
shut :o). It will also make this hotlap competition more realistic and I bet
most hotlappers are in favour of this.

/Christer


> Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
>still hold the 10 fastest laps


>>Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
>>could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
>>suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
>>inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
>>claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
>>around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
>>minimum 4.5 at the rear.

>>/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
>>realistic ride heights :o)

Rick Baumhaue

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Rick Baumhaue » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Are you using a wheel?  That could be the problem - Wolfie uses a joystick,
so he probably has an easier time catching the oversteer than a wheel-user.

Rick

Kent Hosterma

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Kent Hosterma » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00



>>  Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
>> still hold the 10 fastest laps
snip
>Maybe it's just WW's preferences, but I suspect that the extreme
>oversteer had something to do with the low ride height (perhaps it runs
>on the bump stops?).


the Ring and the setup he used uses ride heights of 3.75 and 4.25 front and
rear respectively. I think this guy is just plain blazing quick. I tried his
setup and have adopted it as the basic(start point) setup for every track.
Of particular interest to me was his use of extreme negative toe-in for the
front. This really helped me with controllability. I'm not even in the same
league time wise though. He smokes.
Jesse Blac

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Jesse Blac » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

A note on the extreme toe ins, you can set your toe ins to -5 on front and 5
in back and see VERY little speed difference.  Imaging having a 5in. toe out
in the front.  It would be huge and wouldnt drive well.  It is a big bug in
GPL which I first saw Sasa abuse.  His record time at watkins glen was the
first time I saw that sort of toe in.  At watkins glen I just put toe in in
front to -5 and back to 5 and I dropped 2 seconds.  1:06s to 1:04s.

Jesse




>>>  Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
>>> still hold the 10 fastest laps
>snip
>>Maybe it's just WW's preferences, but I suspect that the extreme
>>oversteer had something to do with the low ride height (perhaps it runs
>>on the bump stops?).


>the Ring and the setup he used uses ride heights of 3.75 and 4.25 front and
>rear respectively. I think this guy is just plain blazing quick. I tried
his
>setup and have adopted it as the basic(start point) setup for every track.
>Of particular interest to me was his use of extreme negative toe-in for the
>front. This really helped me with controllability. I'm not even in the same
>league time wise though. He smokes.

Ian La

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Ian La » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:44:28 -0400, "Jesse Black"


>A note on the extreme toe ins, you can set your toe ins to -5 on front and 5
>in back and see VERY little speed difference.  Imaging having a 5in. toe out
>in the front.  It would be huge and wouldnt drive well.  It is a big bug in
>GPL which I first saw Sasa abuse.  His record time at watkins glen was the
>first time I saw that sort of toe in.  At watkins glen I just put toe in in
>front to -5 and back to 5 and I dropped 2 seconds.  1:06s to 1:04s.

Hmmm, you must be using a hacked version of gpl, cause my toe-in and
out values have a maximum distance of plus or minus _0.5_ not 5 :)

Ian

Neil Rain

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Neil Rain » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> Are you using a wheel?  That could be the problem - Wolfie uses a joystick,
> so he probably has an easier time catching the oversteer than a wheel-user.

Yes, I am using a wheel.

Mind you, when I watch his replays he's super-smooth anyway, so doesn't
need to catch much!

More practice required...

asgeir nes?e

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by asgeir nes?e » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife racing is?

;-)

---Asgeir---


> I know that Todd, but the ones who scream about unrealistic setups will be
> shut :o). It will also make this hotlap competition more realistic and I bet
> most hotlappers are in favour of this.

> /Christer


> > Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
> >still hold the 10 fastest laps


> >>Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
> >>could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
> >>suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
> >>inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
> >>claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
> >>around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
> >>minimum 4.5 at the rear.

> >>/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
> >>realistic ride heights :o)

Christer Andersso

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Christer Andersso » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It's the one that take the pole and the ones who try to take the pole... and
hotllapping is done during qualifying... You're also hotlapping when you're
trying to catch a driver in front of you and you're a couple of seconds down
and think you can catch him before the finish... Really I though you knew
all this ;o).

/Christer


>Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife racing
is?

>;-)

>---Asgeir---


>> I know that Todd, but the ones who scream about unrealistic setups will
be
>> shut :o). It will also make this hotlap competition more realistic and I
bet
>> most hotlappers are in favour of this.

>> /Christer


>> > Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
>> >still hold the 10 fastest laps




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Matthew Birger Knutse

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by Matthew Birger Knutse » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> It's the one that take the pole and the ones who try to take the pole... and
> hotllapping is done during qualifying... You're also hotlapping when you're
> trying to catch a driver in front of you and you're a couple of seconds down
> and think you can catch him before the finish... Really I though you knew
> all this ;o).

> /Christer

Hmm can't ever remember going so hard into a turn that i crashed and killed
myself to find the limit in real racing:)

Matt


> >Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife racing
> is?

> >;-)

> >---Asgeir---


> >> I know that Todd, but the ones who scream about unrealistic setups will
> be
> >> shut :o). It will also make this hotlap competition more realistic and I
> bet
> >> most hotlappers are in favour of this.

> >> /Christer


> >> > Doesn't matter what setup restrictions are set the same 10 people will
> >> >still hold the 10 fastest laps



> >> >>Apparently there are tools that can check ride height. I guess it
> >> >>could easily check if a ride height was too low on a hotlap. So I
> >> >>suggest a hotlap competition where the minimum ride height is 4.0
> >> >>inches for front and 4.5 for rear. Someone in an earlier post here
> >> >>claimed the cars of the era ran rear at around 4.5 inches and front
> >> >>around 4.0 inches, so I suggest minimum 4.0 inches in front and
> >> >>minimum 4.5 at the rear.

> >> >>/Christer, got a bit inspired and will from now on always drive
> >> >>realistic ride heights :o)

--
Matthew Birger Knutsen

Cheek Racing Cars
http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

John Walla

GPL: I suggest a more realistic hotlap competition

by John Walla » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:50:13 GMT, "Christer Andersson"


>>Can you explain to me what the equivalent to a hotlapper in RealLife racing
>>is?
>It's the one that take the pole and the ones who try to take the pole... and
>hotllapping is done during qualifying... You're also hotlapping when you're
>trying to catch a driver in front of you and you're a couple of seconds down
>and think you can catch him before the finish... Really I though you knew
>all this ;o).

THAT is not hotlapping. There is no "real life" equivalent to
hotlapping, it is a false comparison.

Cheers!
John


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