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by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:38:24

Have some mercy on those without high-end/home-built pedals Alan... Sheesh!!
;-)

Jan.
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by **Alan Orto** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:19:39

I'm one of them, still using a old t2 single axix. :)
Although I'm finishing my home made wheel to go with the pedals I made which
works great for heel toe.
The new actlabs pedals should work and they are affordable, they look pretty
nice actually. A TSW wouldn't work for heel toe very well since they are not
adjustable - Brake higher then throttle and distance between pedals isn't
adjustable.

by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 04:25:35

>I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel toe/double
>clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

Well, THAT would suck...

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by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 04:58:51

Viper, with manual clutch, forces you to engage the clutch before the
gear will change. There is one problem with this. When using the
Act-Lab H-pattern shifter, you can put it in any gear you like. Now say
you missed the clutch but put it in 1st gear, does the driver have to
take it out of gear then push in the clutch then put it in gear OR do
they just have to disengage/engage the clutch for 1st to be selected by
the sim.

I like it when the clutch is used for slipping the clutch only. Trying
to force the clutch with gear changes just gets very complicated. Until
they have FF shifters that will not allow you to put it in gear without
pressing on the clutch, I like the current method.

Jason.

> I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel toe/double
> clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

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by **Alan Orto** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:52:32

It would be an server option just like force view and forced smoke is in N4.
It would be for leagues that want realism of that time period or the league
just wants to run that style of racing. It would require more skill to race,
but also a lot more fun. Everyone would have different blip sizes and
methods of shifting, it would be cool to see.

Orton"

> >I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel toe/double
> >clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

> Well, THAT would suck...

> Eldred
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by **Alan Orto** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:25:41

The driver would have to take it out of gear and then put it back into gear
with the clutch in. They could add a simple grinding noise if you tried to
put it into gear with out a clutch, missed shift or improper rev matching,
that would be enough feedback to go by.

> Viper, with manual clutch, forces you to engage the clutch before the
> gear will change. There is one problem with this. When using the
> Act-Lab H-pattern shifter, you can put it in any gear you like. Now say
> you missed the clutch but put it in 1st gear, does the driver have to
> take it out of gear then push in the clutch then put it in gear OR do
> they just have to disengage/engage the clutch for 1st to be selected by
> the sim.

> I like it when the clutch is used for slipping the clutch only. Trying
> to force the clutch with gear changes just gets very complicated. Until
> they have FF shifters that will not allow you to put it in gear without
> pressing on the clutch, I like the current method.

> Jason.

> > I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel toe/double
> > clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

> --
> Jason Monds
> http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL)
> http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims)
> (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:28:33

Possibly. Try Viper first and see how frustrated you get with a manual
clutch ;) I use the manual clutch in F1-2001, but it just seemed
different in Viper. Maybe I'll do that test again now that F1RC and
F1-2001 have my clutch-thumb educated.

Jason.

> The driver would have to take it out of gear and then put it back into gear
> with the clutch in. They could add a simple grinding noise if you tried to
> put it into gear with out a clutch, missed shift or improper rev matching,
> that would be enough feedback to go by.

> > Viper, with manual clutch, forces you to engage the clutch before the
> > gear will change. There is one problem with this. When using the
> > Act-Lab H-pattern shifter, you can put it in any gear you like. Now say
> > you missed the clutch but put it in 1st gear, does the driver have to
> > take it out of gear then push in the clutch then put it in gear OR do
> > they just have to disengage/engage the clutch for 1st to be selected by
> > the sim.

> > I like it when the clutch is used for slipping the clutch only. Trying
> > to force the clutch with gear changes just gets very complicated. Until
> > they have FF shifters that will not allow you to put it in gear without
> > pressing on the clutch, I like the current method.

> > Jason.

> > > I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel toe/double
> > > clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

> > --
> > Jason Monds
> > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL)
> > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims)
> > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

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by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:33:13

Just another way for the 'MAN' to keep us down...If God wanted us to use 3
pedals he would have given us 3 feet :) <<shaddup you smart-alecs>>
dave henrie

> It would be an server option just like force view and forced smoke is in
N4.
> It would be for leagues that want realism of that time period or the
league
> just wants to run that style of racing. It would require more skill to
race,
> but also a lot more fun. Everyone would have different blip sizes and
> methods of shifting, it would be cool to see.

> Orton"

> > >I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel
toe/double
> > >clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

> > Well, THAT would suck...

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > GPLRank - under construction...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **T. Wortm** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:34:14

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:20:19 -0500, "ymenard"

>> My guess is that every WC driver left foot brakes, with the exception
>> of road circuits.

>Hmmm, why would you think that WC drivers don't brake with their left foot
>on road courses?

I think if you review some tapes you'll see that many do pump the
brake with the left foot approaching a turn. But then they do the
final braking with the right foot. Where else would "heel 'n toe" come
from? It's done with the right foot between the brake and gas. At
least this is what I've seen from in-car cameras.

by **ymenar** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:37:04

> I think if you review some tapes you'll see that many do pump the
> brake with the left foot approaching a turn. But then they do the
> final braking with the right foot. Where else would "heel 'n toe" come
> from? It's done with the right foot between the brake and gas. At
> least this is what I've seen from in-car cameras.

Yeah I saw your point, I was just joking :)

Considering they use Jericho-type transmission, there is no need to use the
clutch anymore. So you can press both the gas and the brake pedal with the
two feet now.

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by **Alan Orto** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:53:06

I have, lots of fun. :) Currently using single axis with a button
clutch,hehe. I did hook up my homemade pedals up which has a clutch and
split axis for a few laps and it was great. Racing around in a GTS/R with
manual clutch was great fun.

> Possibly. Try Viper first and see how frustrated you get with a manual
> clutch ;) I use the manual clutch in F1-2001, but it just seemed
> different in Viper. Maybe I'll do that test again now that F1RC and
> F1-2001 have my clutch-thumb educated.

> Jason.

> > The driver would have to take it out of gear and then put it back into
gear
> > with the clutch in. They could add a simple grinding noise if you tried
to
> > put it into gear with out a clutch, missed shift or improper rev
matching,
> > that would be enough feedback to go by.

> > > Viper, with manual clutch, forces you to engage the clutch before the
> > > gear will change. There is one problem with this. When using the
> > > Act-Lab H-pattern shifter, you can put it in any gear you like. Now
say
> > > you missed the clutch but put it in 1st gear, does the driver have to
> > > take it out of gear then push in the clutch then put it in gear OR do
> > > they just have to disengage/engage the clutch for 1st to be selected
by
> > > the sim.

> > > I like it when the clutch is used for slipping the clutch only.
Trying
> > > to force the clutch with gear changes just gets very complicated.
Until
> > > they have FF shifters that will not allow you to put it in gear
without
> > > pressing on the clutch, I like the current method.

> > > Jason.

> > > > I really hope WSC will have an option to force people to heel
toe/double
> > > > clutch downshifts on older cars during online races.

> > > --
> > > Jason Monds
> > > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL)
> > > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run
Sims)
> > > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

> --
> Jason Monds
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> http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims)
> (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

by **Ryan** » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:38:18

Do you guys who built your own pedals have any links to your design or to
other sites that would help? I would love to build my own pedals and hook
them into my LWFF, but I have no idea what the wiring is like. If I only
had a clutch.........

Ryan

by **Andy Laurenc** » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:54:30

I take it you drive an automatic. Bit different in a manual ;-)

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by **Stephen Ferguso** » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:47:47

And I'm wondering about his general driving habits, if it was only the
quicker reactions of left-foot braking which saved him from many accidents
on the street.

Stephen

by **Rob Adam** » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:55:41

You too eh? I was thinking you might need a HANS device to ride shotgun with
this guy.

Admittedly there may be a few legitimate situations where those extra
milliseconds to get your right foot to the brake pedal save you from an
accident, but generally if you're having to react that quickly you're not
leaving enough room...

A guy pulled out right in front of me on Saturday in pouring rain and
despite being a right-foot braker I managed to get stopped. That was more
due to knowing how to threshold brake and keep from skidding than reaction
time.

> > > My guess is that every WC driver left foot brakes, with the exception
> > > of road circuits. I grew up left footed braking in my street car, and
> > > it's saved me from many accidents from the quicker reaction time to
> > > the brake pedal.

> > I take it you drive an automatic. Bit different in a manual ;-)

> > Andy
> > --

> And I'm wondering about his general driving habits, if it was only the
> quicker reactions of left-foot braking which saved him from many accidents
> on the street.

> Stephen

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