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Michael Youn

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by Michael Youn » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00



You're still using brakes at Spa? :-) Come to think of it, only La Source
requires threshold braking. There's a handy distance marker on the right
coming out of Blanchimont. A few heartbeats past that is the brake point for
the passing line.

Granted, you should see about fixing the monitor brightness, if only for the
eye candy and the experience. I really would suggest turning off the groove,
though, to force you to acquire different braking markers. I'm in a bit of a
bind at Rouen's Scierie  when I pass in the braking zone. Rouen is one of
the tracks that I didn't run with the groove off. I'm eyeing the cars on the
left, and trying to see if, when, and where the groove starts to show
underneath them. And then it's still a few more heartbeats away; quite a few
more, actually. There's a reason why those cars are being lapped, and why
there's a pileup collecting behind them. I wouldn't use them as a reliable
brake marker either.

The worst habit is to use the corner worker as a marker. There's a flagman
at the mid point of Rindt Kurve at O'ring that I use to gauge how well I'm
taking it. In real life, I suppose they might move around. :-)

Michael.

Chris Bloo

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by Chris Bloo » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

If for no other reason than to cause a shunt to liven up their
afternoon I expect:)

Chris

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Brett C. Camma

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by Brett C. Camma » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Is it just the Voodoo2 1000 that adds the gamma correction controls to
the display properties dialog?  GPL was certainly quite dim the first
time I fired it off after installing the Voodoo, but I went to the
screen properties, selected the Voodoo tab, linked all the Gamma s and
ran them up to the mid-point.  Made all the difference in the world
and now all looks as I would expect it too.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Don Scurlo

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by Don Scurlo » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I'm using a TNT2 and gpl is to dark if I have my monitors brightness
set to 50-60%, which is best for most things. I crank brightness up to
90% for gpl. It's easier to do with the monitors front panel controls
than to get into the screen properties everytime. I had the same
problem with Quake 1 and 2, but at least you could correct gamma in the
game.



--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Michael, in real life there are zillions more natural roadside features to
use as positioning references.  Go for a drive along a country road that you
are familiar with; you won't use people as braking markers, mate! :-)

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00

V3 provides that facility also, Brett.

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Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


writes:

I brake at SEVERAL points at Spa.  That's probably why I'm still at 3:29......

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00



I have a V3, and tried those controls.  It didn't seem to help much...  Maybe
it's just my monitor.

Eldred
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by Eldre » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>IMHO, if you wanna run well in traffic, you can't rely on braking points on
>the
>track surface, since they will often be obsured by other cars.  Try and pick
>brake markers that are clearly visible regardless of traffic, use scenery,
>trees, sign posts, whatever.  Eventually, you get to the point where you can
>keep your eyes on the traffic and the course itself, and the markers will
>register in your peripheral vision as you approach/pass them.

>            Doug

Yeah, I've mention that here before.  I have certain brake markers, some on the
track.  At silverstone, more are on the track.  So, when I'm following another
car, I can't see the marker until AFTER the other car has passed over it -
which is now too late for me to make the turn.  And if I'm off the racing line,
I can't see the groove anyway(I found that out the HARD way...).  I just don't
have enough markers on the side of the track.  I must have my detail turned
down too much, but I *have* to in order to run the game smoothly...<sigh>

Eldred - who needs an Athlon 800 to be able to see the track with a high
resolution...
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Michael Youn

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by Michael Youn » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


3:29......

All kidding aside now... Yes, brakes are important at Spa. I mention La
Source only because it's more like most other tracks: the ideal braking
point is pretty rigid. The other corners, though, don't benefit from
threshold braking and are quite a bit "softer" in that sense. I find the
darkness of the groove is useless as braking points.

I'm still at 3:21 at Spa, so I'm not the expert. In spite of the talk
otherwise:
Brake at Haute de la Cote roughly halfway to the top. This is uphill as at
all other critical areas at Spa. Speed is about 155 coming up the hill;
squeeze the brakes to bring it to about 115 at turn in, and slightly less
than neutral throttle slows you to 92 mph at apex, and then smoothly
transition back to full throttle as you clear the embankment. Threshold
braking isn't required; in fact, it's harmful to the car's balance. The
transition from gas to brake, and then back on the gas needs to be as smooth
as you can make it. (Slower is faster.)

Malmedy is also uphill; a controlled squeeze drops your speed from 167 to
118, and then you hold neutral throttle, slowing to about 112 at apex on the
first right. The braking point is right before the entrance to the left
hander, and a gentle squeeze is all you need. You might call it trail
braking, but it's more a matter of holding balance while braking through the
entire turn.

Masta, Stavelot, and Cottage are taken without brakes.

Cottage slows you from 180 to 132. Again, balance and control are more
important than stopping power. Like Malmedy and la Cote, the brakes really
aren't on all the way to apex; I'm done braking before or as I cross the
road crown. Again, turning action and less than neutral throttle accounts
for the rest of the speed loss. A gentle turn in and throttle for balance is
more important here than late braking. You don't need much brakes to begin
with.

Entrance to Blanchimont is almost threshold braking, and a light amount of
trail braking helps. Approach speed is 192, slowing to 126 at apex. Even
though the approach and braking zone is flat or slightly downhill, the brake
point is much much deeper than you might think from looking at the groove.
Threshold braking is useful on the straight, transitioning smoothly (key
word!) to trail braking and a gentle turn-in. Apex is about half a tire
width inside off the pavement, and you can be back *** the gas about the
time the straight braking AI starts to turn in.

Exit from Blanchimont, onto the straight leading to La Source, is a slight
lift on turn in, and then flat again. Approach speed is 178, slowing to 164
before the engine can overpower the scrubbing through the turn. A brief full
throttle blast gets you back up to 174, a quick 3 count past the distance
marker on the right, and then real threshold braking down to 58 mph at turn
in for La Source, trail braking and scrubbing down to 44 at apex. I use
first gear coming out, and need to be real careful about tire spin on exit.
I can't tell the difference in lap times using 2nd gear, but I'm more used
to the engine sound for speed cues in first.

I pick up oodles of time through Blanchimont, more than a full second over
the AI. The wide line leading up to La Source is perfect for setting up a
braking pass. I bank on this as I come up on traffic coming out of Stavelot.

From here, no brakes again until la Cote. Eau Rouge can be a bit of sloppy
***shoot for me. A half lift at the bottom crossing the bridge helps
settle the car and slow it just a little for the right hand, down into third
for the uphill run. Hold somewhat neutral throttle until you're almost at
apex, and then flat out to a slight lift for the left hand turnin. I like to
get the inside tires all the way off on the inside at this blind apex. Any
wider, and I have to lift to avoid drifting off the right side on track out.
My exit speed here is about 10 mph faster than the AI, but it just almost
makes up for my slower speed through the right hander at the bottom. I'm
usually caught up and possibly passing by the time we get to la Cote.

As tracks go, Spa responds well to setups that favor ever so slight
understeer at neutral throttle. I substitute light engine braking for trail
braking through the fast corners, and the balance has to be very close to
neutral when I feather the gas heading toward the apex. Trail throttle tends
toward oversteer, so the car balance for slight understeer makes up for
this. It feels like neutral throttle as you drive the track, but replays
show that the car continues to slow even past the gas on point. I attribute
this to scrubbing, and it doesn't alleviate until I start to unwind the
wheel. So, it's not really just the gas-on point that matters, you also need
to be unwinding the wheel to accelerate out of high speed turns. Cottage and
the last of Blanchimont, maybe even Stavelot, come to mind as examples.

3:29 is a tough row to hoe. I recall when 3:40 felt like an accomplishment.
Maybe that last might be enough to help you off this plateau, and on to the
next one. While braking points are important, they are far less so than
getting back up to speed on the long, long straights at Spa. You need to
unload the steering to get this to happen. No matter how else it might feel
at this point, you're losing time if you're doing anything but unwinding
when the gas starts to go back down. Work on getting to this point by having
a balanced car at apex. This requires a good smooth entrance, even if you
sacrifice the brake point a little for now. That will almost fix itself soon
enough. I'm willing to bet you can get down to 3:25 in a week if you work
diligently on the exits, not the brake points (in a balanced car, of course.
:-)

Michael.


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