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A post kind of like prove it or shut it...

John Pancoas

A post kind of like prove it or shut it...

by John Pancoas » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:15:49

  Yep, I know of some great online racers using small monitors.  I've also
been told by some that when they went to a larger one, it really helped.

  For myself, I only have a "15 and would love a larger one if for no other
reason that my aging eyes start to feel the effects after a bit on a small
screen <G>  Maybe one of these days.

-John




> >  Hardware can make a small difference, especially a big monitor, but
just
> >as in actual racing, some are better than others.

> I've heard others say that the size of the monitor doesn't matter.
> <insert your own joke here>
> I wish I could afford a larger monitor so I could see for myself if it
helps
> your driving.  I think it *should*, because you can see the
objects(cars/brake
> markers, etc.) larger and in a higher resolution...

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you
> with experience...
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Tom Olive

A post kind of like prove it or shut it...

by Tom Olive » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:56:35

Actually you can cheat in N4 using fixed setups. I've seen it. It made the
car like an F1 car on the track. He could blow by me like I was sitting
still, let off and let me pass him, and blow by me any time he wanted. I
could be going into turn four at Michigan while he was exiting turn two and
he could beat me to the s/f line. Supposedly Papy fixed it with the latest
patch, but who knows.

Having said all that I have joined races where I was two miles per hour
faster than the whole field and I don't cheat. They just didn't have as much
experience as I have.

Anyway, I never worry about it. Do the best you can and if others cheat
don't sweat it. You know you're not and that's all that really matters. It's
all but impossible for Papy to make the code totally and completely cheat
proof, and quite frankly I'd rather they spend the time on the other issues.

Tom


>   Not so easily in N4.  Unless the "cheaters" game files match the servers
> _exactly_ , he's sol.  I know people who can run faster in fixed setups
and
> blow anybody off any track at any time, even if they're using open setups,
> and can guarantee they're not cheating(I'm one of those getting blown away
> fwiw :)

>   Hardware can make a small difference, especially a big monitor, but just
> as in actual racing, some are better than others.

> -John



> > Dave,

> > As you know, there are ways and ways to cheat (I have a marvellous
replay
> of

before
> > the kink).  And there are hugely divergent talents behind the wheel.  I
am
> > prepared to believe there are honest guys who can maintain 190 mph thru
> the
> > Masta kink.  I just don't want to race with them.

> > A couple of hints.  Most of the cheaters I know abt. seem to live
> physically
> > near each other (and not in caves in Afghanistan; think of another major
> > trouble-spot in the century just past).  And most seem to have spent a
lot
> > more time hacking code than practicing their chops on racing circuits.
So
> > they make great hot-lap 'artistes,' but not very consistent racers.
Think
> > abt. it.

> > --Steve



> > > I was in a N4 race the other day. Good clean field. Turned out to be a
> fun
> > > race.

> > > My point...it was a fixed set up race. The difference in lap times
were
> > > kind of strange. Pole and the first few guys were almost two seconds
per
> > lap
> > > better than the rest of the field. If everyone is using the same set
up
> > why
> > > does it often happen like this? Guys were talking about how talented
> some
> > of
> > > the guys were. OK..but from pit row they just blow on by. Is it they
> have
> > > better hardware thus making the cars quicker. where is the advantage
> then
> > if
> > > there is any at all? This race turned out to be clean and fun but they
> are
> > > mysterious(fixed set ups) at times.

> > > DC

John Pancoas

A post kind of like prove it or shut it...

by John Pancoas » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:05:51

  That's true; I just meant open setups.

-John


> Actually you can cheat in N4 using fixed setups. I've seen it. It made the
> car like an F1 car on the track. He could blow by me like I was sitting
> still, let off and let me pass him, and blow by me any time he wanted. I
> could be going into turn four at Michigan while he was exiting turn two
and
> he could beat me to the s/f line. Supposedly Papy fixed it with the latest
> patch, but who knows.

> Having said all that I have joined races where I was two miles per hour
> faster than the whole field and I don't cheat. They just didn't have as
much
> experience as I have.

> Anyway, I never worry about it. Do the best you can and if others cheat
> don't sweat it. You know you're not and that's all that really matters.
It's
> all but impossible for Papy to make the code totally and completely cheat
> proof, and quite frankly I'd rather they spend the time on the other
issues.

> Tom



> >   Not so easily in N4.  Unless the "cheaters" game files match the
servers
> > _exactly_ , he's sol.  I know people who can run faster in fixed setups
> and
> > blow anybody off any track at any time, even if they're using open
setups,
> > and can guarantee they're not cheating(I'm one of those getting blown
away
> > fwiw :)

> >   Hardware can make a small difference, especially a big monitor, but
just
> > as in actual racing, some are better than others.

> > -John



> > > Dave,

> > > As you know, there are ways and ways to cheat (I have a marvellous
> replay
> > of

> before
> > > the kink).  And there are hugely divergent talents behind the wheel.
I
> am
> > > prepared to believe there are honest guys who can maintain 190 mph
thru
> > the
> > > Masta kink.  I just don't want to race with them.

> > > A couple of hints.  Most of the cheaters I know abt. seem to live
> > physically
> > > near each other (and not in caves in Afghanistan; think of another
major
> > > trouble-spot in the century just past).  And most seem to have spent a
> lot
> > > more time hacking code than practicing their chops on racing circuits.
> So
> > > they make great hot-lap 'artistes,' but not very consistent racers.
> Think
> > > abt. it.

> > > --Steve



> > > > I was in a N4 race the other day. Good clean field. Turned out to be
a
> > fun
> > > > race.

> > > > My point...it was a fixed set up race. The difference in lap times
> were
> > > > kind of strange. Pole and the first few guys were almost two seconds
> per
> > > lap
> > > > better than the rest of the field. If everyone is using the same set
> up
> > > why
> > > > does it often happen like this? Guys were talking about how talented
> > some
> > > of
> > > > the guys were. OK..but from pit row they just blow on by. Is it they
> > have
> > > > better hardware thus making the cars quicker. where is the advantage
> > then
> > > if
> > > > there is any at all? This race turned out to be clean and fun but
they
> > are
> > > > mysterious(fixed set ups) at times.

> > > > DC


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