Cyber Racing Sportscenter <a...@cyber-racing.com> wrote:
>What is racing online about? I all depends on who you ask. There are
>many racers out there that race online. Hawaii is more than a beta
>testing division, it is a community. Those that have taken part in this
>experience can understand what I mean. I have been racing online since
>april of last year. I have meet many people online that I consider my
>closest friends. I try to take an active part in the Hawaii Community by
>bringing the news and ramblings that go on, to my web site, which I
>update on a daily basis.
News is fine.
Ramblings are dangerous.
Are these unbiased ramblings?
Your opinions?
Opinions of others?
Facts?
>It is almost a full time job. I am editor,
>producer, graphic designer and president.
You being the publisher and the editor means that there is no system
of checks and balances for bias.
>I respond to each and every
>e-mail I recieve.
You have not been responding to the e-mail from me for the past few
weeks? Why not?
>I spend 3-5 hours a day working on my site and enjoy
>the attention I recive.
I believe that. ; - )
>My main goal when I started Cyber Racing
>Sportscenter was to proudly report the acievments that the racers online
>accomplished. I then created my top 100 driver list,
Speaking of the list....
Why do some people appear on the list when they do not appear on the
closest equivalent list that David Martin's MP analyzer produces?
Why do some people NOT appear on the list when they DO appear on the
closest equivalent list that David Martin's MP analyzer produces?
Specifically, why did you remove my name from the list?
Is the list 100% based on fact or something tuned by hand and thus
with potential bias?
>at the request of
>Don Wilshe, to honor those drivers that have showed how hard they worked
>in their racing career. It was a great success. I even went as far as to
>create bio's with complete backgrounds and pictures of these drivers. An
>"in the spot light" kind of feel for the sport we love. And yes it is a
>sport. I don't care what you say, this is real. I consider this a sport
>because of the level of competition there is out there. But competition
>has a drawback. There are people out there that thrive on this, like in
>real life sportsmanship. And as in real life, if you have an edge on
>your competition than you will excel. Is this wrong? It depends. What
>are you calling an edge? There are no set guidelines for this. This
>sport is in it's early stages. And like any sport that is just starting
>out, there will be people out there that look for loop-holes and any
>advantage they can get to become king of the mountain.
Sounds like you understand competition...
>I have created an organization called CRAC, Cyber Racers Against
>Cheating. There is nothing to keep us from cheating, but our honor as
>racers. We have decided that honor and integrity is more important than
>being labeled as someone that cheats. We take the game for what its
>worth, we do not add to it and we do not disrespect our fellow
>competition. The racing community can be assured that all the members of
>CRAC will never under any circumstance do anything that will be
>considered cheating. But what is cheating? Again, this brings up a
>totally new issue.
A very complex issue. Alex, I volunteered to help CRAC with this
issue. You have not responded to my e-mails.
> I am not going to cite exact instances of cheating,
>but refer to it as a "whole".
I can almost understand why you would not want to open that can of
worms, but I don't think you will get very far doing that....There is
alot of gray area there. Consider:
1. Using the best processor, vga board, wheel, etc
2. Realistic setups that work well in the sim.
3. Setups that work well in the sim, but are not "realistic"
4. Bugs in the sim that allow more speed (two lap quals, ESC, etc.)
5. Using third party tools to improve performance (analyzers, etc)
Sounds like CRAC would allow 1 and 2; but not 5. I am not sure about
all of the territory in 3 and 4?
Does everyone that has signed up for CRAC know what they have agreed
not to do?
Your words above are: "The racing community can be assured that all
the members of CRAC will never under any circumstance do anything that
will be considered cheating."
"will be considered cheating" by who? By anyone?
If I think someone on the list did something that I consider cheating,
then you will remove that person from the list?
NEVER done these things in the past?
NEVER will do these things in the future?
NEVER in league races, but OK in pickup races?
> It is written in our mission statement on
>our CRAC web site http://www.cyber-racing.com/crac.html
>"The participants of CRAC have declared that by becoming a member of
>this non-profit organization that they will adhere to the
>following simple guidelines at all times on and off the racing circuit.
>We at CRAC, hold honesty as our primary objective. Under no
>circumstances will we use any other outside influence to increase our
>performance in on-track racing. We will use the racing
>Simulation that Papyrus has given us to the maximum ability we can as
>drivers. We will not attempt to gain an edge on or competition
>by cheating in any way. We will not intentionally use the game in any
>other way it was designed. We will use the tools and resources
>given to us by the base game and not add any other programs to increase
>our racing performance.
No third party utilities?
No setup organizers? (to help you find the best setup)
No replay analyzers? (to help you find the best line)
No telemetry? (to help you run the best line)
Nothing in addition to the "base game"?
>Our hard work and determination
>is all we need to succeed. We assure you that when we race, it is in a
>clean and sportsmanlike manner.
>The secondary objective we will adhere to is treating our competition in
>a respectable humane manner.
I applaud your efforts here. I wish you the best of luck.
>We will not bad mouth
>anyone for making a simple mistake. Be it getting into an accident or
>causing an accident ourselves. No one is perfect, we are all
>humans and we make mistakes. We realize that accidents are a part of
>racing and no one needs to be treated in an uncivilized
>manner for a mistake they made.
>Finally, we will show our support for CRAC to our fellow competition and
>urge them to become a part of this elite group of
>individuals that have risen above the simple philosophy that "winning
>has to be everything". We promise that we will not be tempted
>to cheat, even if that is the only way we can win. Our honor as racers
>is more important to us. Anyone caught for cheating will be
>removed from CRAC and will be labeled by their fellow races as such.
What about:
Anyone caught for uncivil behavior will be removed from CRAC and will
be labeled by their fellow races as such.
Who determines who gets to join CRAC?
Who determines who gets kicked out of CRAC?
Who's judgement?
Who is responsible for keeping this from turning into a witch hunt?
Is Don Wilshe the first witch?
I think what Don was saying when he started this thread was that he
wants to know the answers to these questions. Your post was simply an
advertisement for CRAC, and NOTa specific answer to his specific
question.
>This is a tight community we have here. I am happy to be part
>of it and will continue to show my support for my fellow racers through
>good times and bad times."
>This is definately an issue, I look forward to hearing your comments
>Alex Koziol
>President Cyber Racing Sportscenter
>http://www.cyber-racing.com
Alex, I think you have a nice web site. You do a great gob with your
graphics. I wish you would stick with being the "Cyber Racing
Sportscenter". This would mean unbiased reporting. Sticking with
facts. This would mean avoiding the judgmental aspects of who to
include or not include in the top 100 list. Or whether or not to
include Don Wilshe on your CRAC list.
Publish a top 100 list that David Martin's tool produced. The top 100
based on x, y, and z. Facts.
I'm afraid the CRAC list is a can of worms.
I apologize in advance for the length of the post. I feel like it
needed to be said. I look forward to more dialog.
--
Best Wishes!!!
Robert Huggins
Raleigh, NC
hugg...@prodigy.com
