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Railriding Etiquette

Phil Le

Railriding Etiquette

by Phil Le » Tue, 15 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I know railriding in GPL isn't cricket.  What I want to know is what is the
done thing in online racing if you make a mistake and run into the Armco?
Is it OK to stick the power on and get some help from the rails if it was a
genuine mistake or should you slow down a bit and not take advantage?

The reason I ask is that I feel almost ready to hit VROC, maybe in about a
week or so, and I didn't want to cause offence because I'm bound to make a
mistake and run wide.

Cheers

Phil

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don hodgdo

Railriding Etiquette

by don hodgdo » Tue, 15 Feb 2000 04:00:00


>I know railriding in GPL isn't cricket.  What I want to know is what is the
>done thing in online racing if you make a mistake and run into the Armco?
>Is it OK to stick the power on and get some help from the rails if it was a
>genuine mistake or should you slow down a bit and not take advantage?

>The reason I ask is that I feel almost ready to hit VROC, maybe in about a
>week or so, and I didn't want to cause offence because I'm bound to make a
>mistake and run wide.

>Cheers

>Phil

My usual course of action is to slow down until I can safely peel myself off
the rail without taking anyone out, and then continue on my way. I think the
last thing you would want on VROC is to be known as a rail rider.

don

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μartij

Railriding Etiquette

by μartij » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Good point.
I tend to floor the throttle, but I DO feel a bit guilty about that,
especially when someone's close behind (not because he sees it, but because
I made a mistake and he couldn't profit of it). But there are times that
you run into the rail while you're evading someone or try to make space
when someone overtakes you into CG... then I feel less guilty (but still
floor it).

But perhaps people found that very offensive, without telling me...



Don Scurlo

Railriding Etiquette

by Don Scurlo » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00


gui.server.***.net>:

Depends some on how the VROC server has the damage set, if it's on Pro, and I
wish they all were, you won't get away with to much rail riding.  As mentioned,
slow down until you unstick and get going again. It's real easy to spin coming
off some armcos, come off easy.

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

Rick Math

Railriding Etiquette

by Rick Math » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I'm glad you've brought this up as I myself have just begun racing on VROC
and was wondering the same thing.

My current practice is to stamp on the gas. I don't feel too guilty
about it as I wait until well after hitting the rails before doing so, so my
lap-time does suffer. I don't go into the corner thinking 'hell i'm not gonna
make it, better floor the accelerator'. I also find that if I try to peel
away from the rails too soon i'm more likely to cause a shunt, particularly
near the start of the race.

If i'm being out of order please let me know as I don't want to be
regarded as a railrider.

Cheers,

Rick.



> I know railriding in GPL isn't cricket.  What I want to know is what is the
> done thing in online racing if you make a mistake and run into the Armco?
> Is it OK to stick the power on and get some help from the rails if it was a
> genuine mistake or should you slow down a bit and not take advantage?

> The reason I ask is that I feel almost ready to hit VROC, maybe in about a
> week or so, and I didn't want to cause offence because I'm bound to make a
> mistake and run wide.

> Cheers

> Phil

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> http://www.youpies.co.uk

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R K Mather

Gaul

Railriding Etiquette

by Gaul » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00


The most common corner I find myself hitting the rails online is the first
Lesmo at Monza (I've really gotta get control of that "head thing").  And
although the impact is not intentional, I feel like I'm cheating if I floor
it after I hit.  I usually try to slow down enough to peel myself off the
barrier and return to the racing line before accelerating.  But that's just
me- I've seen others come into it full tilt and actually pass other drivers
on the outside.  Somehow that doesn't seem sporting to me.

Rick Math

Railriding Etiquette

by Rick Math » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00



> The most common corner I find myself hitting the rails online is the first
> Lesmo at Monza (I've really gotta get control of that "head thing").  And
> although the impact is not intentional, I feel like I'm cheating if I floor
> it after I hit.  I usually try to slow down enough to peel myself off the
> barrier and return to the racing line before accelerating.  But that's just
> me- I've seen others come into it full tilt and actually pass other drivers
> on the outside.  Somehow that doesn't seem sporting to me.

I agree, and wouldn't dream of rail-riding in an attempt to gain or keep
position. But when I do mess up my entry into the first Lesmo, i'd rather
get away from the corner as quickly as possible than cause an obstruction.
If I slow right down and the driver behind me also misses his
braking-zone then thats both our races practically over. I have in the
past used the rails to get round a corner and then deliberately conceded
position on the following straight if I feel i've hard-done the driver behind
me, which seems like the safer option.

Rick.
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R K Mather

SpeedFree

Railriding Etiquette

by SpeedFree » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hey, let's not mince words here.... deliberate railriders are the lowest
form
of scum. If I make a mistake in a corner and end up against the barrier I
act
as if I am in a real car or have Pro damage on:- I slow down and get off the
barrier as soon as I can. If this isn't possible because a car is wide and
close
behind me, I have even been known to power out of the turn and let the car
behind through, so the car that should have got an advantage does get it.
I would rather lose a few places in a race than have anyone accuse me of
railriding!!

>I know railriding in GPL isn't cricket.  What I want to know is what is the
>done thing in online racing if you make a mistake and run into the Armco?
>Is it OK to stick the power on and get some help from the rails if it was a
>genuine mistake or should you slow down a bit and not take advantage?

>The reason I ask is that I feel almost ready to hit VROC, maybe in about a
>week or so, and I didn't want to cause offence because I'm bound to make a
>mistake and run wide.

>Cheers

>Phil

>--
>http://www.youpies.co.uk

Andrew MacPhers

Railriding Etiquette

by Andrew MacPhers » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

That's the one.

Andrew McP

Phil Le

Railriding Etiquette

by Phil Le » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

It's Lesmos 1 for me as well.  I either seem to get it just right or out
brake myself and run wide.  That particular bit of Armco is a pain to get
off.  Of course I also run wide when John Surtees is coming up behind me!

Cheers

Phil

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http://www.youpies.co.uk




> > The most common corner I find myself hitting the rails online is the
first
> > Lesmo at Monza (I've really gotta get control of that "head thing").
And
> > although the impact is not intentional, I feel like I'm cheating if I
floor
> > it after I hit.  I usually try to slow down enough to peel myself off
the
> > barrier and return to the racing line before accelerating.  But that's
just
> > me- I've seen others come into it full tilt and actually pass other
drivers
> > on the outside.  Somehow that doesn't seem sporting to me.

> I agree, and wouldn't dream of rail-riding in an attempt to gain or keep
> position. But when I do mess up my entry into the first Lesmo, i'd rather
> get away from the corner as quickly as possible than cause an obstruction.
> If I slow right down and the driver behind me also misses his
> braking-zone then thats both our races practically over. I have in the
> past used the rails to get round a corner and then deliberately conceded
> position on the following straight if I feel i've hard-done the driver
behind
> me, which seems like the safer option.

> Rick.
> --
> R K Mather


Phil Le

Railriding Etiquette

by Phil Le » Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:00:00

That's what I thought and what I try to do even if I'm racing offline.  I
want to get myself into good habits.

Cheers

Phil

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http://www.youpies.co.uk

MichaelJ

Railriding Etiquette

by MichaelJ » Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:00:00



One problem is that it seems you have to slow down much more than you
should to get off the barrier, given that the barrier is a wider radius
than the turn it shouldn't be that hard.

That makes it tempting for people to ride the rail all the way round
rather than slowing to a crawl to get off it.

- Michael

asgeir nes?e

Railriding Etiquette

by asgeir nes?e » Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hmm...

I wonder how this can be an issue at all...

I have never even thought of gaining from riding the rails.

If I hit the rails because of overdriving, I think that the race is over, and
that I should creep into the pits to see if it is possible to salvage the car...

Riding the rails to gain from it is utterly, totally and completely
incomprehensible to me. And if I caught someone doing it in a race against me, I
would do my utmost never to race against the same person again.

And if the servers would only use the "pro" setting, we would have no such
thing, ever!!! Hmm, I am going to use only pro race on my server from now on.
And I suggest to all the other hosts around the world to do the same!

This is is a simulation of F1 in 1967, and the sportsmanship and gentleman
behaviour of the era!!!!

---Asgeir---

pjgt..

Railriding Etiquette

by pjgt.. » Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:00:00



> I know railriding in GPL isn't cricket.  What I want to know is what
> is the
> done thing in online racing if you make a mistake and run into the
> Armco?
> Is it OK to stick the power on and get some help from the rails if it
> was a
> genuine mistake or should you slow down a bit and not take advantage?

> The reason I ask is that I feel almost ready to hit VROC, maybe in
> about a
> week or so, and I didn't want to cause offence because I'm bound to
> make a
> mistake and run wide.

I generally slow down by lifting off the throttle, until you can pull
the car off the rails, then continue on as normal. If you carry on
accelerating, or even just maintaining the same speed, centrifugal force
will force the car outwards, thus keeping the car stuck on the rails.

8-)

*Peter* -  http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Peter Ive

Railriding Etiquette

by Peter Ive » Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:00:00



If I run too wide at Monza and can't avoid hitting the rail then I just
feel too guilty if there is a car behind me and I will usually slow down
enough to let the car through on the inside.  Railriding is for wimps!
:)
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.


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