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It wasn't until 'after' I hit the send-button that I realized my
mistake...This 'tire-shake' is certainly something I wouldn't want
to go through (at least without a good dental plan<g>).  Thanks for
the clarification.

Cheers!

Marc

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Ok I just didn't know if they could change the ratio to say like a 2 to 1 if
they wanted to and I just wanted to be sure thanx for the info.

I wasn't blasting anyone either I just wanted so info I apologize if it
sound like a blast,thanx for all the info Greg you cleared alot up for me.

GT86
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No problem.  I really don't think the game will let you build different engine
combinations, because it's based on the actual Fuel classes.  Top Fuel and
Funny Car are bascically cookie cutter classes in which everyone runs the same
engine combinations.  (the NHRA & IHRA rules are designed for this so that the
class has uniformity and equality)

If you think about it, it's pretty exciting knowning that your competitor has
pretty close to the same combination you do, and it's your job to make sure you
get it to the ground and drive good enough to beat him.

Take Care,

Greg

Thanx!,

Harald

I don't understand then how a Top Fuel team can get so off with the combination
then. I remember when Eddie Hill first started racing Top Fuel in 85 he wasn't
having much success at all. He was about to quit and Gene Snow came over and gave
Eddie some combinations that worked for him.

If all the Top Fuel motors are so similar in the set up then how can a team end up
so far off?

Just wondering. I always thought there was alot to do with the fuel systems in a
Top Fuel Engine.

There's not as much as you would think.  Most of the tuning is in the clutch
area.  Now there are some fuel adjustments that are made, but 95% of getting a
fuel car down the track is Clutch Clutch Clutch!!!

Greg

        Greg, not to argue some of the points you have made about
what or what isn't done with an engine in preparation for a race but
according to interviews in the new August issue Drag Racing Monthly
or the old Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Roland Leong makes some
interesting comments on what is required to run a nitro engine.
        It isn't quite as simplistic as you make it sound. Much preparation
is done on baseline engine combinations before the car ever makes a
run down the track. Yes the 8 basic changes that are in the game may
cover 95% of what transpires but the developing of the HP isn't the old
cookie cutter routine it used to be years ago when they couldn't get
all the power to the track do to tire and chassis limitations. I think
what Robert and others are saying is that they would have liked to
have had the option of playing with different engine configs before
racing at the track. Yes, the basic engine is based on a Chrysler
hemi but surely you wouldn't suggest that the head porting or
cam shaft selection would be the same in everybodies combination.
To name but a few variables. These baselines would not be changed
at the track but they sure would have spent plenty of time developing
them before they got to the race.

        Pete

I will agree with you Pete.....there are a handful of teams that do extensive
research and development with fuel systems, heads, cams, blowers, and even
blocks.  Primarily these are the teams that are extremely well
financed.......and believe me, they do have some serious financial clout.
Between the 32 fuel cars that normally qualify at an NHRA race (Top Fuel &
Funny Car combined), I know of only 8-10 teams that really do alot of research
and development on the components mentioned above.  Generally a team will come
out with something new, and if it works, within 4 or 5 races, almost everone
will have it.  So in that perspective it is somewhat of a cookie cutter class
now days there's just more fuel and more ignition.  

Like I said in my earlier posts, anyone can make alot of power in a nitro
engine, because almost all the latest fuel system, heads, cams, and blowers are
available to the general public by the manufacturers themselves.  Please don't
get me wrong though, because I'm NOT saying that making alot of power is easy.
But if you have all the components necessary, and a good working knowledge,
then you will make plenty of power.

Alot of teams that do R&D work in conjunction with Ignition, Blower, Fuel
System, and Head manufacturers to develop better products.  This means once
they get it working right then it's available to anyone if you have enough
money.  So to put something like this in a game, you would have to have almost
unlimited possiblities for cam, fuel, heads, blower, and ignition.   I don't
think they will ever make a game like that.  Besides, if they do the game
right, I think it will be hard enough for people just to get the car down the
track........at least I hope it's that way. :o)

Greg
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Actually, the Top Fueler's all run pretty close to the same camshaft
profile. Pro Stock cars and trucks on the other hand are always trying and
looking for something new to get that few extra horses. I've seen camshafts
for 4 of the top 16 Top Fuelers and they all run the same profile. I can't
say what the other 12 or so run, but I would assume it's pretty close to the
same also.

KThibodeau