rec.autos.simulators

by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

// | \\
|
This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
Is this correct?

\\ | //
|
This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
Is that correct?

============================

Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

// <> \\

This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
Is this correct?

\\ <> //

This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
Is this correct?
=============================

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by **5th Docto** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

yes.

> Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> // | \\
> |
>This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
>Is this correct?

> \\ | //
> |
> This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
>Is that correct?

>============================

>Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> // <> \\

> This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
>Is this correct?

> \\ <> //

> This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
>Is this correct?
>=============================

>--
>=========================================
>Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
>MikeBa on the TEN network.
>Member of R.O.R. 1999
>http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
>=========================================
>Racing online with the help of......

>Race Communications Association
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>Holodyne Engineering

>Mystic Music

by **Remco Moe** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> // | \\
> |
>This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
>Is this correct?

Yes.

Ok, what did I win?

Remco

by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> > Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> > // | \\
> > |
> >This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> > \\ | //
> > |
> > This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
> >Is that correct?

> Yes.

> >Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> > // <> \\

> > This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> > \\ <> //

> > This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> Ok, what did I win?

You won a free VROC race of your choice! ;-)

Thanks,
Mike Barlow

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by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> yes.

> > Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> > // | \\
> > |
> >This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> >Is this correct?

> > \\ | //
> > |
> > This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
> >Is that correct?

> >============================

> >Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> > // <> \\

> > This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> >Is this correct?

> > \\ <> //

> > This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> >Is this correct?
> >=============================

Thanks,
Mike Barlow

--
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Member of R.O.R. 1999
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by **Jarno van de Breevaart Bravenboe** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Nope, sorry guys but the correct is:

> Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> // | \\
> |
> This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> Is this correct?

This is positive toe-in (as pointing your toes towards each-other

This is negative toe-in or also called toe-out!!

The camber story is allright as is ;-))

> ============================

> Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> // <> \\

> This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> Is this correct?

> \\ <> //

> This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> Is this correct?
> =============================

> --
> =========================================
> Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> MikeBa on the TEN network.
> Member of R.O.R. 1999
> http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
> =========================================
> Racing online with the help of......

> Race Communications Association
> http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html

> Holodyne Engineering

> Mystic Music

Janro van de Breevaart Bravenboer

by **Scott Moor** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Camber is correct, toe is just the opposite. It helps to think of it as "toe
in"(positive number) and "toe out(negative number). Easier to visualize.

Scott Moore

<snip>

by **schwab** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Right on the camber, wrong on the toe...

--Dave

> Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> // | \\
> |
> This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> Is this correct?

> \\ | //
> |
> This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
> Is that correct?

> ============================

> Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> // <> \\

> This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> Is this correct?

> \\ <> //

> This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> Is this correct?
> =============================

> --
> =========================================
> Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> MikeBa on the TEN network.
> Member of R.O.R. 1999
> http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
> =========================================
> Racing online with the help of......

> Race Communications Association
> http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html

> Holodyne Engineering

> Mystic Music

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

by **schwab** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Wrong-o! The operative word is "toe-IN." If you are creating a postive
value, then you are toeing the wheels IN at the front, pointing at each
other at the front. Negative toe-in, also known as TOE-OUT, is when the
wheels start pointing in opposite directions at the front.

--Dave

> > Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> > // | \\
> > |
> >This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> > \\ | //
> > |
> > This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
> >Is that correct?

> Yes.

> >Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> > // <> \\

> > This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> > \\ <> //

> > This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> >Is this correct?

> Yes.

> Ok, what did I win?

> Remco

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

by **schwab** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Yep, Jarno is right! :-)

--Dave

> Nope, sorry guys but the correct is:

> > Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...

> > // | \\
> > |
> > This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
> > Is this correct?

> This is positive toe-in (as pointing your toes towards each-other

> > \\ | //
> > |
> > This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
> > Is that correct?

> This is negative toe-in or also called toe-out!!

> The camber story is allright as is ;-))

> > ============================

> > Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...

> > // <> \\

> > This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
> > Is this correct?

> > \\ <> //

> > This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
> > Is this correct?
> > =============================

> > --
> > =========================================
> > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> > MikeBa on the TEN network.
> > Member of R.O.R. 1999
> > http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
> > =========================================
> > Racing online with the help of......

> > Race Communications Association
> > http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html

> > Holodyne Engineering

> > Mystic Music

> Janro van de Breevaart Bravenboer

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

by **Scott B. Huste** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Mike,

You have the toe in and toe out backwards. However the camber is
correct.

Toe in is // \\

Toe out is \\ //

assuming the top of the page is the front of the car.

Use toe in to help "steady" a car that is wandering all over the
place. I found the Eagle tended to wander quite a bit down the
straight away after the esses... one click of toe in did the job <VBG>

Scott
PA-Scott

--
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ICQ# 4395450

by **Wosc** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

No it isn't. Toe in is with the front of the tires closer together than the
back of the tires (the toes are pointed in), negative toe in is when they
face away from each other ergo toe OUT. Thats why POSITIVE toe in (which is
toe in) is more stable and Negative toe in (toe OUT) turns better (due to
the fact that the outside of the car has to travel farther than the inside
and the outside has a larger radius turn which in turn doesn't have to turn
as much so toe out keeps the tires on track better)

Jesse

|yes.
|
|> Assuming the top of this email is the front of the car...
|>
|> // | \\
|> |
|>This would be considered 20* negative toe in. (-20*)
|>Is this correct?
|>
|> \\ | //
|> |
|> This would be 20* positive toe in. (+20)
|>Is that correct?
|>
|>============================
|>
|>Assuming you're looking at the car from the front...
|>
|> // <> \\
|>
|> This would be 20* negative camber. (-20)
|>Is this correct?
|>
|> \\ <> //
|>
|> This would be 20* positive camber. (+20)
|>Is this correct?
|>=============================
|>
|>--
|>=========================================
|>Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
|>MikeBa on the TEN network.
|>Member of R.O.R. 1999
|>http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
|>=========================================
|>Racing online with the help of......
|>
|>Race Communications Association
|>http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html
|>
|>Holodyne Engineering

|>
|>Mystic Music

|>
|>
|
|

by **Randy Cassid** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

No, just the opposite.

Yes, this is correct.

Randy

by **Remco Moe** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>Wrong-o! The operative word is "toe-IN." If you are creating a postive
>value, then you are toeing the wheels IN at the front, pointing at each
>other at the front. Negative toe-in, also known as TOE-OUT, is when the
>wheels start pointing in opposite directions at the front.

You're right, of course, I am wrong. For punishment I am not allowed
to race GPL tonight. And I've to return my prize, a free VROC race, to
Mike. Weeeeeeeh.

However, my response to Mike was with GPL in mind. I did read toe-in
as toe. Oopsy. I don't have GPL at hand right now (you know,
punishment), but isn't the description in the setup screen toe-in for
the font toe?

Remco

by **Rober** » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Thanks. NOW I'm confused. Who's right ?

rec.autos.simulators

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