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% I'll agree that some more road - and near roadside detail - would be
% nice. Personally I find the sensation of speed fine, but I want to have
% more visual references for braking and, particularly, turn in and apex
% points. IRL there are loads of these for the choosing whilst in the GPL
% demo there are only really the tyre marks which suffice for braking into
% T6 but that's about it. Hopefully there will be more visual references in
% the final version and these will also provide a better sensation of
% speed.

Well at some tracks, there just weren't any visual reference points.  I
don't recall who it was or what track, but I think it was about this
era (was it Spa?).  Anyway one of the great F1 drivers was using an
object in the field as his braking reference, he kept getting faster and
faster laps times, but he eventually braked too late and crashed out.
As it turns out, his reference marker was a cow and it was just moseying
along have lunch....

So Papy, any cows in the sim?

As to the speed issue...  I honestly feel that part of the "lack" of the
sensation of speed is the frame rate of the demo.  The faster the frame
rate (turn off some detail or lower your resolution), the greater the
sensation of speed.  The eye, is fooled by the "stop-action" of the
slower frame rate and is fooled as easily with the "fluid" motion of a
fast frame rate.  Even this being the case, I do feel that just a tad
more attention to the sensation of speed is needed in Papy's sims.

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Strangely enough I tend to feel that the prettier the graphics the more
this lack of speed feeling I get, coinsidence ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Assuming you mean the billboard, I'm finding it just a little too early
for me and it is also a little distant from the track to be ideal. Plenty
good enough for the Lotus at least but could be very much improved for
the Brabham where you can brake a *lot* later.

But it would be nice to have a more definite marker. That way you can
visualise your way around the track that much better. When depending on
revs for instance you need to completely change your approach depending
what car you're in.

Cheers,
Richard

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% But it would be nice to have a more definite marker. That way you can
% visualise your way around the track that much better. When depending on
% revs for instance you need to completely change your approach depending
% what car you're in.

From what I've read and remember seeing, this is the way it was.  There
wheren't a whole lot of markers for the braking and turning references.
Each driver had to "create" his own.  I think this may be a case of
Papyrus simulating too much of the real world again!?

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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:10:36 GMT, "Michael E. Carver"

Watkins Glen back in '67 was a rather rough and unfinished place with the
grass near the track pretty broken up. The GPL version in comparison is
like a maiden aunt's sitting room <g>

Cheers,
Richard

At first I thought that the lack of "proper" distance markers would cause a
problem in judgement.
Having run the demo now for a week, no problem at all.
It's *exactly* as per real life.....we use other trackside objects as cues.
At the 'Glen it didn't take very long to associate braking cues with
advertising sign locations or similar.

Now, I don't miss the '300', '200' etc marks at all.
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Just in case there's any confusion - this is *NOT* what I am asking for!

All I want is to be able to identify specific track and nearside track
details with the *exact* points I want to use for braking, turning in and
making my apexes. This may be a difference in track surface, a prominent
clump of grass by the track side or anything similar that isn't going to
move during the race!

The GPL demo does not provide the same level of detail that is available
for this in real life. It is no worse in this respect than any other sim,
but the increased realism of GPL's driving model requires equally
improved visual references <g>

Cheers,
Richard

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Simple.
Get the utility that allows you to unpack and modify the graphics in the
sim.  Add your own little markers at the appropriate locations.  Repack the
modified files.
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Regards,

Bruce.

Hehe. But that would be cheating <g>

(see numerous debates over on ten.games.simulations.nascar!)

Cheers,
Richard

Regards,

Bruce.

Bruce Kennewell wrote

I just don't like the fact about this. Since it's now soo easy to modify
your track.dat file, I don't see the point of online racing at GPL.  Sure I
my let my track "***".  But some people won't, making an obvious imm***
advantage IMHO.

The NROS has strick rules, and safety measure against this form of theoric
cheating, but TCP/IP will _maybe_ not have.  But with the client/server
architecture I can't really don't know about the safety measures of GPL's
multiplayer racing.

You know, you first start with making your own braking mark. After it's the
acceleration marks. And the turning rate marks after. And finally..... You
create robot-drivers.

Lol I think I summarized Robert Huggins's evolution ;-)

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

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Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

The simple solution is to race against people you already know and trust.
I realise that 'trust' is probably considered a dirty word these days but
I am very happy to know that there are a significant bunch of good
drivers out there who I do trust and would be happy to race against
knowing that they would never do anything against the spirit of being
fair.

LOL!

Cheers,
Richard