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GPL: tracks

Han Monsee

GPL: tracks

by Han Monsee » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00



> >Other suggestions??

> Yes, why don't we start with the other tracks that 'our' cars ran in 'our'
> year:
> Oulton Park, Jarama and Syracuse? They were all non-championship races in
> '67. Then there's the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans ofcourse (it seems to be
> dull, but it would surely beat Dubai), and the Tasman series tracks.

wasn't Reims a non-cc race, too??

If the editor becomes widely spread, anyone should be able to contribute!

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Vinc

GPL: tracks

by Vinc » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Would be interesting in the 60s layout, without the chicanes. Anyway,
many F1 drivers raced on it in F2 racing, and Jim Clark died there in
a F2 race.

Also in 1980 and 81. Recently the track had some changes

In this case the original track was very different from the one
actually used by F.1. It was also used until 1980 (if I remember well)

There are 2 different layouts, one is the Osterreichring, which was
recently adapted to modern F.1, and the other one is a very simple
track, with long straights and few turns, used in the early 60s, I
guess.

Anyway, they are all very good ideas, I hope that someone have enough
time and data to build that tracks :-)
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Vinc

GPL: tracks

by Vinc » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:24:41 +0200, "Per Bostr?m"


>Brands is great, other suggestions:
>Goodwood, Aintree, Pau, Barcelona city.

Also the actual Mugello would be very interesting
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Ronald Stoeh

GPL: tracks

by Ronald Stoeh » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> >>Other suggestions??

> >>Greetings, Han

> Mount Panorama (F1 never got there, AFAIK, but what a track!), Road Atlanta,
> and perhaps Mid Ohio?  I know there is no F1 association with any of these
> tracks, but they are all fantastic 'drivers' tracks.

Yes, Road Atlanta and Mid Ohio! As we will not see ICR3/CART2 for quite
some
time (maybe never?), being able to drive those tracks in my Ferrari
would
be splendid!

l8er
ronny

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Matthew Birger Knutse

GPL: tracks

by Matthew Birger Knutse » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00



> > >This would rock! Especially Hockenheim!

> > You mean the Hockenheim where Jim Clark died in 1968 in an F2 race?

> In Dutch there is a saying 'every doctor has his own graveyard'. This
> could easily be converted to 'every track has his own graveyard' If tracks
> at which famous drivers have died would be excluded, what would be left?

Remove Brands Hatch for once, then Spa, the Ring, Monaco, Watkins Glen etc
etc.....

Anyway, a special little thing to honour Jim will be at my Brands Hatch gfx
update, not much, but I think it's nice:)

Matt
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Danny Ute

GPL: tracks

by Danny Ute » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!!

- Reims
- Mont-Tremblant
- Montjuich
- East-London
-
Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...!!!!!!

No F1 tracks from the 60ies but I would like to race there anyway:
- Laguna Seca
- Elkhart Lake
- Pau

kind regards,
danny


> I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL:

> - Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting
> track.

> - Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on.

> - Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one
> was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before.

> - Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s.

> - Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s

> - Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s

> Other suggestions??

> Greetings, Han

Tom Pabs

GPL: tracks

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Jesse...

I drove in an ESCORT Endurance (SCCA PRO Racing) 12 Hour race at RL.....a few
years back.  You should try turn #11 at night!....

That's the only "experience" I can recall from my 'ESCORT days' that I remember
being truly "scared"....each and every time I went through (or maybe the better
term is "under and over") that turn!

Coming up from T10....you are carrying all the speed off the back
straight.....the car is under heavy, heavy compression as you exit T10 heading
up the hill to T11...still turning lightly to the left (my shoulder blades and
sternum area were very black n' blue'd from the helmet compressing down so
hard...and I wasn't the only driver who wore a black n' blue "necklace" that
weekend.....the next year we all wore neck donuts...they worked great).  You
have to start turning into (to the right) T11 while you are still under
braking....and make sure you start carefully easing off the brake in exact
"timing" with the car's gradual unweighting as the track starts "cresting" as
you pass under the bridge.  Then....to make matters worse.....the track just
drops away underneath you...the car is fully airborne and you now have to
"match" the rear tire spin (throttle squeeze so gently) so when you come back
down (about 50' down the other side of the track) your rear tire spin and car
speed are matched up!  You are now heading downhill at a blinding speed....and
you have about 2 seconds to gather up the car before you have to brake...and
turn in.....to T12 leading you back onto the main straight....which is another
high-speed and hard compression turn to the right!  During the daylight
hours....when you are airborne going out from under the bridge....all you can
see is "sky" in your windshield...then you first see the tops of the trees over
behind the paddock area as you are coming down.  Most everyone used those tree
tops....as your "mark" for easing back on the throttle to get your rear wheel
spin "matched" up with the car's speed when it reconnected with the track.  At
night.....oh my gosh......NO TREES!  All you have is a completely black
windshield!  We all learned to do a "count"....."thousand-one, thousand-two,
thousand-three" .......to "mark" the same point we used the trees for during the
day!

The best way to imagine this is to think of the famous "roller coaster"
ride....where the first "big climb" out of the station is at full
speed...instead of click-click-click-click slow....then you "crest" and pull
big-time negative G's....then back to full speed down the other side!
Only....add into this the track turning to the left going up....and turning back
again to the right going down!  Then throw in some "black" night sky just for
fun!  Gosh, I'm getting little "twitches" in my face muscles just writing this.

Oh.....and by the way....  The pit entrance was right at the point where you'd
"come down" onto the track after being airborne......so your crew always had to
"talk you" through the turn...every lap....making sure there wasn't a car
slowing to pit.....or a good chance was taken you'd come down on that car's lid!
I don't know what drivers did there before they had radios!

I don't think there's a driver in the world.....who has run Road Atlanta and NOT
thought that turn needed reconfiguring.  They finally did a few years back.

If we got the "old" Road Atlanta in GPL.....I think I'd have to race with
plastic over my keyboard and wheel.......just in case my "sick" stomach got out
of hand!

Thanks for making me remember all that Jesse........NOT.......lol

Regards,

Tom Pabst


>What about for us American boys, road atlanta, the old configuration with
>turn 11 under the bridge and air born.  I would like to see that.

>Jesse


>>I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL:

>>- Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting
>>track.

>>- Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on.

>>- Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one
>>was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before.

>>- Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s.

>>- Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s

>>- Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s

>>Other suggestions??

>>Greetings, Han

David A. Ewin

GPL: tracks

by David A. Ewin » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00


>- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!!

I'll second Riverside ... I have a few fond memories of that track going to
the Times Grand Prix there as a kid.  It looks like it would be a fun track
to race, a nice combination of fast and slow turns, with some changes in
elevation.  It had a very long back straight that ended with a fast banked
turn, similar to the last turn at Mexico.

Dave Ewing

Ia

GPL: tracks

by Ia » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I agree that Clermont-Ferrand would be one hell of a track in GPL, a
mini-Nurburgring.  The 1965 French GP held there was the first F1 race
I can ever recall seeing on television.  Jim Clark was masterful that
day, totally dominated.

The problem, as I see it, would be the lack of reference material
available to do a good job.  All the pictures I've seen from the 1965
and 1972 GPs that were held there seem to have been taken from only
about half a dozen or so different vantage points.  Even the shots
from the film Grand Prix don't provide many more details since they
are concentrated in the area of the S/F line and the pits.  In order
to be able to create the track someone would probably have to go there
and drive round and round and take LOTS of pictures.

BTW, I recall a comment from Jackie Stewart regarding the circuit.  He
said one of the most difficult things about it is that there are two
sections of the track that look completely identical from the***pit,
same turn sequences and same background scenery.  He said you really
had to be paying close attention on every lap or you could lose track
of exactly where you were on the circuit, since the sequences
following these two sections were quite different...  Ah well, this
would probably ease the burden of someone trying to create the track
for GPL - copy and paste.

Ian


>- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!!

>- Reims
>- Mont-Tremblant
>- Montjuich
>- East-London
>-
>Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...!!!!!!

>No F1 tracks from the 60ies but I would like to race there anyway:
>- Laguna Seca
>- Elkhart Lake
>- Pau

>kind regards,
>danny


>> I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL:

>> - Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting
>> track.

>> - Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on.

>> - Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one
>> was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before.

>> - Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s.

>> - Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s

>> - Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s

>> Other suggestions??

>> Greetings, Han

Jack Ramb

GPL: tracks

by Jack Ramb » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Great read, Tom!

I grew up watching the CSPRRC, IMSA GT, CanAm, F5000, Formula Atlantic, SCCA
Nationals/Regionals, and everything else I could at Road Atlanta. Even did a
bike race there once before one of the pro events. We raced backwards...ten
climbs up from T12 to T11 was just a real treat!

But even with all the time I spent there, and with all the cars I saw lose
it coming out from under the bridge, I had no idea that T11 was such a
science!... "thousand-one, thousand-two, thousand-three"...Wow! Thanks for
sharing that with us!

Jack Rambo

www.RaceLive.com/GPaL


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