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by **Uwe Schürkam** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:31:13

> No, it's because many people can surf the web at work/school but not
> read newsgroups. IMO anyway :-)

http://www.racesimcentral.net/ puts you back in a web browser, but is a
half-decent interface if you read only a couple of usenet groups. You
can even post from your gmail account. Of course, posting from google
won't make you a "mechanic" or whatever silly honors webforums tend to
use after you've posted a couple of times ;-)

All the best, uwe

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by **Uwe Schürkam** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:28:58

> As it continues to fragment into huddled groups RAS is likely to be the
> only group for the entire sim racing community.

For me, RAS still is *the* definite source of reliable information
about new racing sims or getting help with old ones. I find web forums
slow, cumbersome to navigate, and I usually cannot use emacs to create
new posts. ;^) fsck those bouncing smileys, ascii still rocks when it
comes to exchange of information.

All the best, uwe

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by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:37:35

> > No, it's because many people can surf the web at work/school but not
> > read newsgroups. IMO anyway :-)

> http://groups.google.com puts you back in a web browser, but is a
> half-decent interface if you read only a couple of usenet groups. You
> can even post from your gmail account. Of course, posting from google
> won't make you a "mechanic" or whatever silly honors webforums tend to
> use after you've posted a couple of times ;-)

I'm "Sven the Berserk" (Erik the Viking reference) on Team Tundra's
forum, nothing silly about that :)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

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by **R Keatin** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:59:25

> There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.
> Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

> An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also
> contact if the problem persists.

> We apologise for any inconvenience.

> ----------------

> I appreciate what they are doing, but I really wish everyone would come
> (back) to R.A.S.

> (And please don't take the thread header to heart. Although I have been
> on usenet and web forums long enough to know some Wonk is going to reply
> to the header and header alone.***you, non message reading replier!)

> MRSisson

It's down again with the same database error message :(

I read a couple of those forums daily ... well maybe not today :(

by **Don Scurloc** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:53:40

>> As it continues to fragment into huddled groups RAS is likely to be the
>> only group for the entire sim racing community.

> For me, RAS still is *the* definite source of reliable information
> about new racing sims or getting help with old ones. I find web forums
> slow, cumbersome to navigate, and I usually cannot use emacs to create
> new posts. ;^) fsck those bouncing smileys, ascii still rocks when it
> comes to exchange of information.

> All the best, uwe

I'm with you Hooover, not sure how definitive ras it is at the moment but
it's format is definitely my preference. Plowing through multiple web
forums is way too tedious. Don

by **Charli** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:11:50

> I agree about people coming back to R.A.S. I think the success of web
> based forums is due to people not knowing how to set up a news reader
> and also being wowed by the look of web based forum (and those horrible
> waste of space aviators or whatever they are called.) It is to bad that
> they don't realize the extreme inefficiency of web based forums.

> I'll continue to use RSC (when they are available) because for now that
> is where the good discussion are.

When I first started on web based boards I thought they were horrible.
Now I find them far better than usenet. The interface is much better,
the moderation gets rid of the dheads, photos are easily posted, sticky
topics, sub sections, yada yada.

Charlie

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:41:00

> Plowing through multiple web
> forums is way too tedious.

I've said before in similar discussions that I wish some clever
person would come up with a "newsreader" for multiple forums. You'd
think it'd be possible, but I guess if it was simple someone would
have done it by now.

Andrew McP

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:53:39

Sometimes the moderation gets rid of everyone but the***heads.
Moderation is completely dependent on the moderator. Moderation can also
often amount to a moderator being a rude arse sticking his nose into a
conversation that's none of his business. When it becomes a territorial,
dictator thing where you need to be a clone of the modertor (minus the
power, of course - many suffer from the mentality that it's ok for them to
have a*** and balls so long as no one else does), that becomes a worthless
forum.

Photos are good, but there's nothing stopping someone puting up a link
here.

by **Charli** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:05:11

> Sometimes the moderation gets rid of everyone but the***heads.
> Moderation is completely dependent on the moderator. Moderation can also
> often amount to a moderator being a rude arse sticking his nose into a
> conversation that's none of his business. When it becomes a territorial,
> dictator thing where you need to be a clone of the modertor (minus the
> power, of course - many suffer from the mentality that it's ok for them to
> have a*** and balls so long as no one else does), that becomes a worthless
> forum.

> Photos are good, but there's nothing stopping someone puting up a link
> here.

I'm not trying to convert anyone, just putting forward a point of view.
There are benefits to web forums, but the only real benefit I see to
usenet is download speed, and that's pretty much a non issue with
broadband.

Charlie

by **Uwe Schürkam** » Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:57:00

>> Plowing through multiple web
>> forums is way too tedious.

> I've said before in similar discussions that I wish some clever
> person would come up with a "newsreader" for multiple forums. You'd
> think it'd be possible, but I guess if it was simple someone would
> have done it by now.

> Andrew McP

Well, some forums offer RSS syndications which you could then add to
your firefox bookmarks or whatever, but that's nowhere near newsreader
functionality.

cheers, uwe

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by **Andrew MacPhers** » Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:12:00

> but the only real benefit I see to
> usenet is download speed,

Depends how you use newsgroups. I download all new messages to all
the groups I belong to and read them in "offline" mode. That means
you (a) don't miss something because it was in a thread you didn't
check (b) can filter out people/threads which annoy you (though I
very rarely do this) (c) can glance at every message quickly, only
reading the stuff that interests you thoroughly.

I guess that's an extension to (a) really, but it's a huge factor in
the usenet equation for me. Doing the same thing in forums is a
*much* more clumsy and time consuming affair.

Andrew McP

by **R Keatin** » Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:34:41

>>>Plowing through multiple web
>>>forums is way too tedious.

>>I've said before in similar discussions that I wish some clever
>>person would come up with a "newsreader" for multiple forums. You'd
>>think it'd be possible, but I guess if it was simple someone would
>>have done it by now.

>>Andrew McP

> Well, some forums offer RSS syndications which you could then add to
> your firefox bookmarks or whatever, but that's nowhere near newsreader
> functionality.

> cheers, uwe

Another option would be to just subscribe to the groups and have all the
posts emailed to you. Write a rule to dump them in a folder and then
you'd have pure text grouped by subject.

I don't know if RSC offers email notification like that, but the SimBin
forum does. Only thing is it just sends you the first post and then you
have to go to the site and subscribe to the thread if you want to
receive the replies via email (at least that's as far as I've gotten
with it).

Russell

by **alex martin** » Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:29:10

>> When I first started on web based boards I thought they were horrible.
>> Now I find them far better than usenet. The interface is much better,
>> the moderation gets rid of the dheads, photos are easily posted, sticky
>> topics, sub sections, yada yada.

> Sometimes the moderation gets rid of everyone but the***heads.
> Moderation is completely dependent on the moderator. Moderation can also
> often amount to a moderator being a rude arse sticking his nose into a
> conversation that's none of his business. When it becomes a territorial,
> dictator thing where you need to be a clone of the modertor (minus the
> power, of course - many suffer from the mentality that it's ok for them to
> have a*** and balls so long as no one else does), that becomes a
> worthless forum.

> Photos are good, but there's nothing stopping someone puting up a link
> here.

A fine description of RSC Byron - and, since this is the 2nd time I find
myself agreeing with one of your posts, it's clear that therapy is now in
order ...

by **alex** » Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:58:30

>> Plowing through multiple web
>> forums is way too tedious.

> I've said before in similar discussions that I wish some clever
> person would come up with a "newsreader" for multiple forums. You'd
> think it'd be possible, but I guess if it was simple someone would
> have done it by now.

> Andrew McP

I have tried it. Not a "newsreader" (no point doing yet another newsreader,
there're few good existing ones), but a proxy that was converting web-based
forums into NNTP feed. It is not particularly difficult, just a matter of
parsing web pages. Unfortunately, your average forum is full of bugs and
errors, so you have to write your own custom parser for each forum working
around those bugs. And what's even worse, forums seem to be in a state of
constant rebugging (rebugging is a process of replacing old bugs with a new
ones). Altogether, it does not seem to be a worthwhile task. At least until
the quality of web forums improves.

Alex.

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:29:00

> I have tried it.

Well done for trying. I suspected that even without bugs the
multiple forum formats would make it a difficult project.

Andrew McP

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