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Earnhardt and open faced helmet

Dog-Le

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Dog-Le » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:44:37

Man, just think about it...  Please...

This is a useless argument.  It won't work.

-Larry


> Hey Larry,

> That is an awfully short-sighted claim. I wouldn't guarantee that it
> will happen, but, to say it can't be done, well, I just don't buy it.

> With the proper mix of accelerometers, gyros and some well written
> software, I have no doubt it could be done.

> I'd bet the logic can be created to prevent false triggers for any
> racing scenario you can come up with. Obviously, it's complex and
> could be done poorly or done well depending on whose doing it and how
> well developed it is, but, I'm certain it could be done.

> Randy


> >There is no possible way they could EVER program an Air Bag for a race
car.

> >Not only that, but I can almost guarantee you that the damned thing would
> >end up going off when it's not supposed to (you can't possibly program
> >around all the dynamics a car goes through in a race) and would cause a
> >wreck in and of itself.

> >I am confident that we will never see Air Bags in Cup Cars.

Patrick Shuma

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Patrick Shuma » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:46:51

I believe that even with the HANS device Dale's injuries would have still
been fatal or life threatening.  The autopsy revealed that he also had
broken 8 ribs, a broken sternum, a broken left ankle, and a collaposed lung.

> Yes, Dale and others wear an open face helmet but in this type of head on
> impact the helmet really is a moot point. Maybe in a crash with a lot of
> debris flying around and smashing into the***pit you may be in more
danger
> wearing an open face helmet but with a head on impact like this you could
> probably be wearing a space helmet and still die.

> The type of injury suffered by Dale Earnhardt more than likely is the same
> as Petty and Irwin's -- a basalar skull fracture. Most of the news calls
> this sever head trama and people don't relate this to a broken neck which
> descibes it better. Basically with a basalar skull fracture your skull and
> brain move so forcefully that they snap off from your spine, killing
> instantly. I think the press is doing a disservice to the public by
> describing this as sever head trauma. One guy I work with actually thought
> Dale probably hit his head really *** the dash and that an airbag
might
> have helped...(yeah, helped everyone that gets bumped to have an airbag
> deploy in their face so they can't see to stay out of a wreck)

> Anyway, I also found the comments of the examing doctor to be very
> misleading and not at all helping anyone want to learn more about the HANS
> device or other saftey measures that are designed to prevent this exact
> injury.

> FROM FOX NEWS
> "Dr. Steve Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
> slumped in the wreckage, said the autopsy performed Monday confirmed what
> everyone suspected: Earnhardt died on impact. He sustained a skull
fracture
> that ran from the front to the back of his brain.

> The autopsy didn't include any test whether a HANS device would have saved
> Earnhardt. Bohannon said he had doubts how effective the device would have
> been in this accident

> "Even if you restrain the head and neck in this type of injury with the
> forces we're talking about - hitting a concrete barricade at 150, 170
mph -
> there's still one more element you have to address," Bohannon said. "All
> those organs internally still move at time of impact," and that could be
> fatal, too."

> His comment basically calls the HANS device useless in this type of
> wreck...however, if you read closely he goes on to say that Dale's
fracture
> mighgt have been prevented BUT other elements COULD still have caused
death
> TOO...well that I think is a pretty big and unproven TOO to be using when
> his statement is going to influence not only the govering body of the
sport
> but also many of its drivers young and old across the country.

> Well, if it was me, give me the HANS device and prevent my head popping
off
> my body...I'll worry later if my brain is so scrabled I don't want to go
> on....but maybe drivers just don't want to hear about it period.



> > The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced
> helmet.
> > I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the
> sport
> > is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
> > practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
> > would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
> > shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a
car
> > capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced
helmet.
> > If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
> > tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.

Eldre

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Eldre » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:18:30



>Yes, Dale and others wear an open face helmet but in this type of head on
>impact the helmet really is a moot point. Maybe in a crash with a lot of
>debris flying around and smashing into the***pit you may be in more danger
>wearing an open face helmet but with a head on impact like this you could
>probably be wearing a space helmet and still die.

I just realized what people mean by that.  With the fuller, 'closed' helmet,
your head simply cannot pivot as much on your neck.  The neck ring built into
the construction limits forward mobility.
I also understand your other point, which I wondered about earlier.  Ok, you
stop the driver's head from snapping forward in a collision.  But what stops
their brain and other internal organs from being affected by momentum?
Nothing.  That tells me that racing can NEVER be made completely safe.  Having
said that, would I race if somehow given a chance?  In a heartbeat...

Eldred
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David Butte

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by David Butte » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:02:02


I don't mean the fans as well, you know!

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ymenar

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by ymenar » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:02:48


> The NASCAR required the use of a helmet.

THey don't even require it, actually!  It's just a suggestion by NASCAR.

fatality.

Looks like it does, now...

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