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Earnhardt and open faced helmet

Raja

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Raja » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 03:48:00

The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced helmet.
I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the sport
is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a car
capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced helmet.
If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.
Dan Franci

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Dan Franci » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:09:34

Some still wear them in the British Touring Car Championship - John Cleland
was the prime example - wonder if he'll still wear one now he's an ASCAR
driver?
--
Dan Francis


Power Post 20

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Power Post 20 » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:09:22

It's true. I  think he was the only driver still wearing one.
He always felt the full faced helmets restricted his view.



Gaul

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Gaul » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:40:15

Yep, he sure did.  He also wore it during the last 24 hours of Daytona, and
one of the commentators remarked on the possible consequences after some
debris was kicked up out on the track.


John Pavlice

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by John Pavlice » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:22:11

Little E did, too.  It'll be interesting to see if he does thsi weekend.

-Pav



> It's true. I  think he was the only driver still wearing one.
> He always felt the full faced helmets restricted his view.



> >The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced
helmet.
> >I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the
sport
> >is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
> >practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
> >would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
> >shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a
car
> >capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced helmet.
> >If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
> >tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.

Morgan V. Woote

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Morgan V. Woote » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:52:46

Unfortunately, Dale Jr. picked up his dad's bad habit of wearing open face
helmets. I certainly hope he reconsiders in the near future.

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> It's true. I  think he was the only driver still wearing one.
> He always felt the full faced helmets restricted his view.



> >The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced helmet.
> >I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the sport
> >is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
> >practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
> >would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
> >shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a car
> >capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced helmet.
> >If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
> >tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.

Mike Donnelly J

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Mike Donnelly J » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:20:00

Actually, there's a number of drivers who use the open face helmet.  DE, DE Jr,
Jimmy Spencer, and*** Trickle to name a few.  The NASCAR required the use of a
helmet.  It doesn't regulate open or closed.  I'm certain there is a spec for it's
crashworthiness.  DE and Jimmy just feel more comfortable with the open face.
*** Trickle has has a somewhat more practicle reason.  He actually smokes *while*
racing.  You'll never see it on TV (by contract); but he actually smokes in the
***pit.  (No, there's no regulation prohibiting it, it's just habit for***.)  I
would agree that it's a bad idea to use an open faced helmet, but you can't tell a
driver nothin' (unless you're either an official or the owner sometimes a crew
chief can get his point across though).

Although an open faced helment certainly would not have prevented this fatality.
Speculation is that the HANS device might not have been able to save him.


> Unfortunately, Dale Jr. picked up his dad's bad habit of wearing open face
> helmets. I certainly hope he reconsiders in the near future.

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> > It's true. I  think he was the only driver still wearing one.
> > He always felt the full faced helmets restricted his view.



> > >The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced helmet.
> > >I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the sport
> > >is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
> > >practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
> > >would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
> > >shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a car
> > >capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced helmet.
> > >If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
> > >tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.

drinklim

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by drinklim » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:42:22

Well, why do you really need a closed-face helmet in a stock car?
Power Post 20

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Power Post 20 » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:54:52

Fire is the main concern.



L_NiN

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by L_NiN » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:25:24

Yes, Dale and others wear an open face helmet but in this type of head on
impact the helmet really is a moot point. Maybe in a crash with a lot of
debris flying around and smashing into the***pit you may be in more danger
wearing an open face helmet but with a head on impact like this you could
probably be wearing a space helmet and still die.

The type of injury suffered by Dale Earnhardt more than likely is the same
as Petty and Irwin's -- a basalar skull fracture. Most of the news calls
this sever head trama and people don't relate this to a broken neck which
descibes it better. Basically with a basalar skull fracture your skull and
brain move so forcefully that they snap off from your spine, killing
instantly. I think the press is doing a disservice to the public by
describing this as sever head trauma. One guy I work with actually thought
Dale probably hit his head really *** the dash and that an airbag might
have helped...(yeah, helped everyone that gets bumped to have an airbag
deploy in their face so they can't see to stay out of a wreck)

Anyway, I also found the comments of the examing doctor to be very
misleading and not at all helping anyone want to learn more about the HANS
device or other saftey measures that are designed to prevent this exact
injury.

FROM FOX NEWS
"Dr. Steve Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
slumped in the wreckage, said the autopsy performed Monday confirmed what
everyone suspected: Earnhardt died on impact. He sustained a skull fracture
that ran from the front to the back of his brain.

The autopsy didn't include any test whether a HANS device would have saved
Earnhardt. Bohannon said he had doubts how effective the device would have
been in this accident

"Even if you restrain the head and neck in this type of injury with the
forces we're talking about - hitting a concrete barricade at 150, 170 mph -
there's still one more element you have to address," Bohannon said. "All
those organs internally still move at time of impact," and that could be
fatal, too."

His comment basically calls the HANS device useless in this type of
wreck...however, if you read closely he goes on to say that Dale's fracture
mighgt have been prevented BUT other elements COULD still have caused death
TOO...well that I think is a pretty big and unproven TOO to be using when
his statement is going to influence not only the govering body of the sport
but also many of its drivers young and old across the country.

Well, if it was me, give me the HANS device and prevent my head popping off
my body...I'll worry later if my brain is so scrabled I don't want to go
on....but maybe drivers just don't want to hear about it period.


David Butte

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by David Butte » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:34:59


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<snip>

Hmmm "Smokin' Jo" Winkelhock comes to mind... if anything ought to
banned, this ought. There's no place in any form of motorsport for
smoking - it goes against the basic principle of safety - no-one should
be subjected to any unnecessary danger.

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Peter 'kayakr' Ashle

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Peter 'kayakr' Ashle » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:22:26

There is a good link at http://www.racesimcentral.net/;Why
wouldn't an airbag help by supporting the head and absorbing energy?  If
it's set to go off at 30 G's, the driver probably wouldn't be driving away
anyway.


> Yes, Dale and others wear an open face helmet but in this type of head on
> impact the helmet really is a moot point. Maybe in a crash with a lot of
> debris flying around and smashing into the***pit you may be in more
danger
> wearing an open face helmet but with a head on impact like this you could
> probably be wearing a space helmet and still die.

> The type of injury suffered by Dale Earnhardt more than likely is the same
> as Petty and Irwin's -- a basalar skull fracture. Most of the news calls
> this sever head trama and people don't relate this to a broken neck which
> descibes it better. Basically with a basalar skull fracture your skull and
> brain move so forcefully that they snap off from your spine, killing
> instantly. I think the press is doing a disservice to the public by
> describing this as sever head trauma. One guy I work with actually thought
> Dale probably hit his head really *** the dash and that an airbag
might
> have helped...(yeah, helped everyone that gets bumped to have an airbag
> deploy in their face so they can't see to stay out of a wreck)

> Anyway, I also found the comments of the examing doctor to be very
> misleading and not at all helping anyone want to learn more about the HANS
> device or other saftey measures that are designed to prevent this exact
> injury.

> FROM FOX NEWS
> "Dr. Steve Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
> slumped in the wreckage, said the autopsy performed Monday confirmed what
> everyone suspected: Earnhardt died on impact. He sustained a skull
fracture
> that ran from the front to the back of his brain.

> The autopsy didn't include any test whether a HANS device would have saved
> Earnhardt. Bohannon said he had doubts how effective the device would have
> been in this accident

> "Even if you restrain the head and neck in this type of injury with the
> forces we're talking about - hitting a concrete barricade at 150, 170
mph -
> there's still one more element you have to address," Bohannon said. "All
> those organs internally still move at time of impact," and that could be
> fatal, too."

> His comment basically calls the HANS device useless in this type of
> wreck...however, if you read closely he goes on to say that Dale's
fracture
> mighgt have been prevented BUT other elements COULD still have caused
death
> TOO...well that I think is a pretty big and unproven TOO to be using when
> his statement is going to influence not only the govering body of the
sport
> but also many of its drivers young and old across the country.

> Well, if it was me, give me the HANS device and prevent my head popping
off
> my body...I'll worry later if my brain is so scrabled I don't want to go
> on....but maybe drivers just don't want to hear about it period.



> > The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced
> helmet.
> > I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the
> sport
> > is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
> > practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
> > would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
> > shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a
car
> > capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced
helmet.
> > If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
> > tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.

chainbreake

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by chainbreake » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:01

Dick.)

I seem to remember stories about Tiny Lund, I think it was, who used to
drive one-handed while smoking a cigar. (Might have been Junior Johnson.)

Jerry Morelock

Cowen Wilso

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Cowen Wilso » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:21:53

Yes he was wearing an open faced helmet and he always has wore one.  IT DID
NOT CAUSE HIS DEATH.

CW


Power Post 20

Earnhardt and open faced helmet

by Power Post 20 » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:55:18

Was there any mention of other internal injuries?  Under high G-loads,
the heart can be detatched from the aorta.  I think this is what
killed some modified drivers in the 70s or 80s.

There is no visible injury, but they bleed to death internally.



>Yes, Dale and others wear an open face helmet but in this type of head on
>impact the helmet really is a moot point. Maybe in a crash with a lot of
>debris flying around and smashing into the***pit you may be in more danger
>wearing an open face helmet but with a head on impact like this you could
>probably be wearing a space helmet and still die.

>The type of injury suffered by Dale Earnhardt more than likely is the same
>as Petty and Irwin's -- a basalar skull fracture. Most of the news calls
>this sever head trama and people don't relate this to a broken neck which
>descibes it better. Basically with a basalar skull fracture your skull and
>brain move so forcefully that they snap off from your spine, killing
>instantly. I think the press is doing a disservice to the public by
>describing this as sever head trauma. One guy I work with actually thought
>Dale probably hit his head really *** the dash and that an airbag might
>have helped...(yeah, helped everyone that gets bumped to have an airbag
>deploy in their face so they can't see to stay out of a wreck)

>Anyway, I also found the comments of the examing doctor to be very
>misleading and not at all helping anyone want to learn more about the HANS
>device or other saftey measures that are designed to prevent this exact
>injury.

>FROM FOX NEWS
>"Dr. Steve Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
>slumped in the wreckage, said the autopsy performed Monday confirmed what
>everyone suspected: Earnhardt died on impact. He sustained a skull fracture
>that ran from the front to the back of his brain.

>The autopsy didn't include any test whether a HANS device would have saved
>Earnhardt. Bohannon said he had doubts how effective the device would have
>been in this accident

>"Even if you restrain the head and neck in this type of injury with the
>forces we're talking about - hitting a concrete barricade at 150, 170 mph -
>there's still one more element you have to address," Bohannon said. "All
>those organs internally still move at time of impact," and that could be
>fatal, too."

>His comment basically calls the HANS device useless in this type of
>wreck...however, if you read closely he goes on to say that Dale's fracture
>mighgt have been prevented BUT other elements COULD still have caused death
>TOO...well that I think is a pretty big and unproven TOO to be using when
>his statement is going to influence not only the govering body of the sport
>but also many of its drivers young and old across the country.

>Well, if it was me, give me the HANS device and prevent my head popping off
>my body...I'll worry later if my brain is so scrabled I don't want to go
>on....but maybe drivers just don't want to hear about it period.



>> The Times in the UK reported today that he was wearing an openfaced
>helmet.
>> I must admit I am not a huge follower of NASCAR, but any death in the
>sport
>> is alway painful. But, is what the Times said true? If it is it common
>> practice in NASCAR. I cannot believe in this day and age that any driver
>> would wear such a helmet whilst driving at such speeds. I'm even more
>> shocked that any motorsport governing body would allow a driver into a car
>> capable of the kinf of speeds that NASCARs go, with an open faced helmet.
>> If I am wrong, I apologise, I am in no way trying to take away from this
>> tragedy. If it is true, I cannot believe it.


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