rec.autos.simulators

   Wow, are all the trolls in this thread?  :)

   DGF, he has to buy the N4 CD first before he buys a new CD-reader.
Let's let him *actually find out* whether it does or doesn't run on
his machine before we put him up for membership in "Martyrs of
Papyrus".

PS - I agree that this Sierra copy protection scheme is stupid.
Almost as stupid as not buying the game because it *may* not run on
one's machine...  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

   And what was wrong with GPL?  You complained about its online
performance in your other message; you found it so lacking in other
respects that you didn't even run it offline?

   Yes, there are many resources available for GPL.  But how many of
them are *necessities*?  IMO, GPL was one of the most bug-free sim
releases that I have seen.  The patches to it have been more to add
enhancements (dedicated servers, FF, D3D) than to correct any
deficiencies in the original issue.

   And now that you have a new, more capable PC, you still don't run
GPL?  Why?  Perhaps its more a matter of your personal taste not
liking GPL, than any true deficiencies in the sim itself?

   Well, if you thinks that's expensive, you should try the real
thing.  :)

   Once again, it seems like you form your conclusions from your own
biases, not from any observation of reality.  Anyone who has driven in
a good online GPL league would know you statement is groundless.  (I
assume the same would be true of other sim's online leagues, although
I don't have personal experience of them.)

   A troll?, maybe.  I'd think if you were truely interested in N4,
you would at least give it a try.  Your two posts here only seem to be
a senseless piss'n'moan ramble.

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

(own all albums, went to see them 3times + Roger in 99, over 40bootlegs).
And I admire Nick Mason's driving skills ;-D

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

P4 1.5ghz
256 PC800 , 400fsb
Geforce 2 Ultra 64
avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

Heat,  though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics engine in
so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics card.
Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same graphics
engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it.

Regardless, ANYONE who can't get the game to work with a perfectly good
CD-rom should definitely not go out an buy a new one just to run one game.

I'm the last person to complain about having to upgrade for a game (CPU,
video card, etc.), but buying an extra CD-rom when the one you have is
perfectly good is ridiculous.

David G Fisher

Yes, that sux. and all you can do to avoid it is get in a League where
the others play fair, or race the AI, or quit sim racing altogether.
Up to you.

DG

Hmm, I'm writing I'll this while I'm wearing my Floyd/Wall shirt,
coincidence?

Nick

But you have to bear in mind that not everyone has the discretionary
income to put towards endlessly upgrading their computers.  The
economic pressures of keeping food in your family's mouth, clothes on
their backs and a roof over their heads can thwart your desires to
have the bad-assed, ***in'est game computer.

I'm still puttering along with a Voodoo2 and a funky old 400 Mhz
Celeron with 32 megs of ram.  Upgrade?  Love to!  Unfortunately I just
had to drop another $100.00 to replace the dying HD, so that blew my
upgrade budget for some of that wonderfully low priced RAM that's
available today.  I want to get a T-Bird upgrade someday soon, but not
until I can pay back the money I borrowed so I could move to Texas and
take this new job I found after being unemployed for six months.

There are a lot of people who actually have to make legitimate
sacrifices to develop the sort of system that can run a demanding sim
like GPL tolerably.  They do it because they are passionate about sims
just like most of us here on r.a.s.  I cannot see why anyone would be
surprised or call somebody a troll because they happened to respond
passionately to the fact that Papyrus has raised the bar considerably
for hardware requirements with Nascar4.  He *wants* the game.  He
*can't* run it with his equipment.  He's upset about that.  I'm upset
about it, too, just like I was when I tried the Nascar Heat demo.
After about five minutes I said, "Screw them!" and deleted it from my
systems because NH didn't consider my system "acceptable" as a
platform.  I won't even bother reading the box N4 comes in until I can
scrape up the sheckles to upgrade my computer sometime towards the end
of the year...

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack

(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Neat!   ;)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

So now, you should be able to run GPL just fine. <g> Re-install it, and have
fun!

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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-Tony-

Here's the deal... You buy a new game, then wait for about 5-6 years
to open it.. If you do that, the hardware *might* be available by that
time to run it properly! If you wait a couple more years, it might
even be close enough to being completely obsolete so you can pick it
up for what it's really worth, rather than what they sell the latest
and greatest (of the week) for!