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by j a m e » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:54:03

okay sports fans, i want to know what your favorite racing games are.

in the past month i got a 1.4 athlon fully loaded, and decided that it was
time to buy a racing wheel.  i've always wanted one, and now that i was no
longer running a P2/333 i could seriously get into some games.  so i picked
up a microsoft sidewinder precision wheel and pedals for a ninety bucks and
NASCAR 2000 for $9.99, and to tell the truth, i don't think i've ever had
more fun with a computer in my life, and i've been using them for nearly 15
years.  i should have bought a wheel ages ago, though i have a feeling USB
has really let game controllers shine.  then i was let on to this newsgroup,
and i've learned a lot more.

from what i've been lead to believe, NASCAR 2000 is a great game, but there
are many, many better ones out there.  i've asked around before, but haven't
compiled any lists.  i've also been playing the Porsche Unleashed demo
pretty constantly, and loving it.

so what are people's favorites?  i dig NASCAR and formula one racing, but i
think getting into rally racing on the pc would be a frigging blast.  people
in here talk favourably about "GPL", whatever it is, like it's the greatest
racing game ever, so i'm probably interested.

any input appreciated.

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i am not a crackpot

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:50:07

On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:54:03 GMT, "j a m e s"


>any input appreciated.

These are some of the must-have racing sims:

Grand Prix Legends
Nascar 4
Mercedes Benz Truck Racing
Grand Prix 3 2000
F1 Racing Championship
F1 Championship Season 2000
Rally Championship 2000
Viper Racing

The rest is arcade ***:)

Andre

imaswinge

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by imaswinge » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:04:46

Rally Masters is NOT crap!!!!!

(notice I didn't mention anything about arcade)

Rally Masters online is a serious blast.  I haven't touched gpl for a few
days..

Curtis


> On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:54:03 GMT, "j a m e s"

> >any input appreciated.

> These are some of the must-have racing sims:

> Grand Prix Legends
> Nascar 4
> Mercedes Benz Truck Racing
> Grand Prix 3 2000
> F1 Racing Championship
> F1 Championship Season 2000
> Rally Championship 2000
> Viper Racing

> The rest is arcade ***:)

> Andre

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:36:09

Five (actually, six) to add to that list...

STCC2 (control problems for some, but still best touring car sim by a
nautical mile).
GP3 + GP3 2K add-on
Need for Speed: Porshe Unleashed
SBK2001
DTR-SC / Leadfoot (personal weak spot... a discipline I aspire to master)

Titles to look out for:

Rally Trophy
F1 2001
WSC

Jan.
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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:37:49

Let's see you last a week... <g>

Jan.
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David Butte

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by David Butte » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:28:06


<snip>

Right then. First, I have to admit that I hate NASCAR, so I won't give
any advice regarding that, except to say that NASCAR 4 is generally
judged to be a fine piece of kit. I have no idea about bike sims,
either On proper car racing (by which I mean racing with right turns),
however, I can give you my prejudices, for what they're worth...

"GPL, whatever it is", is Grand Prix Legends, a simulation (note that
word) of the 1967 F1 season. It's staggeringly brilliant, and by far
the most ***ive sim I've ever played. Be warned: it demands, and
will relentlessly extract, total commitment. If you're not willing to
spend several hours (yes, hours) just getting round one lap at
something like racing speed, this is not the game for you. To say the
learning curve is steep would be like saying the Pope was quite
religious.

On the other hand, if you are willing to put in the very
considerable effort GPL demands, you'll be handsomely rewarded. Getting
it just right is more satisfying in this game than in any other I've
played, especially online, where (current - hopefully temporary -
server problems permitting) you'll find one of the best driving
experiences anywhere, and one a lot cleaner and more polite than...
well, N4, for example.

A surprising number of people think GPL will be boringly slow. Anything
but, in fact - tuned properly, these cars can do 200mph, and around a
fast circuit such as Spa (the 8-mile version, of course) you can easily
average 150-plus. It's not perfect, of course - tyre wear isn't
simulated, the AI cars can't slipstream and you can't really do
pitstops - but that's more than compensated for by the huge user
community, which produces tracks (some easily as good as the originals
- Solitude and Le Mans are masterpieces), sounds, graphics, guides,
ranking systems... you name it, it's there.

The main problem with GPL is getting hold of it. It came out in 1998
(yep, it's *still* that good after three years), and not many of us
feel like letting go of our copies, so you'll have to rummage in
bargain bins a bit, or check eBay and the like. It is cheap, though.

OK, now I've stopped raving about GPL (it does get you like that), what
else? On the rallying front I'd go for Rally Masters, which has a nice
balance between realism and playability (as they say in the games mags)
and can be a real blast. Lots of choice of car and competition -
definitely a title to look out for. Rally Championship 2000 (or
whatever it's called in your neck of the woods) is lovely to look at,
and has loads of options, but the handling is weird. The Colin McRae
series are fun, but rather arcadey.

Modern F1? F1 Championship Season 2000 is probably the best of a not
terribly outstanding bunch. Certainly it's better than its predecessor
F1-2000. Grand Prix 3 has outstanding weather effects - unfortunately
not a lot else has changed since GP2. F1 Racing
Sim/Championship/whatever has faded into obscurity after a bright early
showing.

Others? I prefer TOCA2 to STCC2, despite TOCA's arcadey setup - it's
just more fun when you're bashing up drivers you've heard of!
NFS:Porsche 2000 (as it's called in the UK) you know about from the
demo - get the full game, as it's very good. Mercedes-Benz Truck Racing
is more fun than it might sound. And - if you do a bit of work on the
setup first - Spirit of Speed 1937, despite falling well below
expectations, is not the complete and utter pile of ordure that its
demo is. Viper Racing I *still* haven't got around to buying - shame on
me!

Conclusions: spend 10 quid/bucks on GPL, and play it until your house
is so full of grime you can't see any more. Clean up the section of
grime near your PC, and carry on.

--
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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himrli..

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by himrli.. » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:55:14

On 9 Sep 2001 01:28:06 GMT,


Kind words for SoS.  And, believe it or not, the
demo responds as well as the full title to setup.
The setup involves downloading a configuration
utility from here:

http://home.att.net/~stickworks/

The direct download URL is:

http://home.att.net/~stickworks/ctfjv320.zip

Then go here to see how it should be set up:

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/depart/mar01/stick.html

There is a forum at High Gear for SoS and there is
an Offline Racing League forming under the banner
of the First Annual Spirit of Speed Challenge.
Download custom scenarios and try your luck behind
the wheel of the Iron Ghosts that moved motor
racing from curiosity to sport.

By the way, if you do download the SoS demo, the
StickWorks utility will work with it, too.

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:07:56



> F1 Racing
> Sim/Championship/whatever has faded into obscurity after a bright early
> showing.

Where do you get this nonsense? About 550 people have already signed up at
the just opened F1RC Relay site http://f1rcrelay.com/LDrivers.asp , and it's
still the most posted to forum at HG. Tons of add-ons too.

David G Fisher

Haqsa

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by Haqsa » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:08:38

My personal favorite is still Sports Car GT.  I am hesitant to recommend
it because it is a bit buggy and to really get the most out of it you
need to spend some time downloading patches and add-ons, but it is still
the only decent simulation of sports car racing that I have been able to
find for the PC.  Right now I have a custom .exe file set up that
changes the classes to be more like the current LeMans Series classes,
and I have downloaded a bunch of LMP cars to race with.  There is no
other decent simulation of LMP racing for the PC.  Conversions are also
available for Touring Cars, Rally cars, and even drag racing.

I also like Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed.  It's more arcadey, but
still a lot of fun.

My two cents,
Hal



ymenar

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by ymenar » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:11:28


> Where do you get this nonsense?

There is absolutely no support by Ubisoft for F1RC.  The statement is true,
it has faded out.  The company doesn't want to support it's customers, it's
a shame.  It had a bright future if many things would had been fixed, but it
did not.  Therefore, it faded out.

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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:18:59

Faded out of what? WTF are you two talking about? This is the type of sh*t
which ispires me to bust the (tiny) balls of some of you.

There's a hell of a lot more people sitting down to play F1RC on their
computers than there is for most sims.

Keep talking nonsense though.

David G Fisher



> > Where do you get this nonsense?

> There is absolutely no support by Ubisoft for F1RC.  The statement is
true,
> it has faded out.  The company doesn't want to support it's customers,
it's
> a shame.  It had a bright future if many things would had been fixed, but
it
> did not.  Therefore, it faded out.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenar

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by ymenar » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:50:41


> Faded out of what? WTF are you two talking about? This is the type of sh*t
> which ispires me to bust the (tiny) balls of some of you.

When you show some respect, you'll be able to argue correctly.  Or else, you
just lower yourself to George Ojeda or Derek Smart standards.  I wrote that
in another NG about somebody who is about the same type as you.  Every
threads he's involved are flame threads.  Perhaps... the problem.... is....
just... yourself?

Because there are a group of people on a single website that have outclassed
others?

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

John Bod

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by John Bod » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:54:04

The WWF has a ton of fans, too, but there's no accounting for taste!

;-)

Seriously, though, F1RC is good in its own right, but it's too similar
to F1WGP for me.  That doesn't mean it's a lot of fun, but I've just
never found it to be terribly immersive or convincing as a simulation.
Your mileage may vary, of course.

-- JB

On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 02:07:56 GMT, "David G Fisher"





>> F1 Racing
>> Sim/Championship/whatever has faded into obscurity after a bright early
>> showing.

>Where do you get this nonsense? About 550 people have already signed up at
>the just opened F1RC Relay site http://f1rcrelay.com/LDrivers.asp , and it's
>still the most posted to forum at HG. Tons of add-ons too.

>David G Fisher

John Bod

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by John Bod » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:56:57

Two additions to this list:

Need For Speed: Porshe Unleashed
NASCAR Heat

NASCAR Heat will undoubtedly give you the most bang for your buck of
any sim, save perhaps SCGT, which is getting a bit long in the tooth.
There are new tracks appearing for NASCAR Heat, and a TON of add-ons.
If you buy NASCAR Heat, you can download (for FREE) mods that will add
CART, IRL, Craftsman Truck, LeMans cars to the game, with more to
come.

You can't go wrong with this one.

;-)

- JB

On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:50:07 GMT, Andre Warringa


>On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:54:03 GMT, "j a m e s"

>>any input appreciated.

>These are some of the must-have racing sims:

>Grand Prix Legends
>Nascar 4
>Mercedes Benz Truck Racing
>Grand Prix 3 2000
>F1 Racing Championship
>F1 Championship Season 2000
>Rally Championship 2000
>Viper Racing

>The rest is arcade ***:)

>Andre

Thom j

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by Thom j » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:56:14

Fran?ois
Sadly it was stated months ago how Ubi fails to react to thier customers
needs past F1RS and they still maintain poor support. It doesnt surprise
me at all that Ubi just continues to *ignore* their customers. Then all the
discussions for 'fixing bugs' in f1rc just falls on *deaf ears*. phew what
a company

| There is absolutely no support by Ubisoft for F1RC.  The statement is
true,
| it has faded out.  The company doesn't want to support it's customers,
it's
| a shame.  It had a bright future if many things would had been fixed, but
it
| did not.  Therefore, it faded out.


| > Where do you get this nonsense?

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