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ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

Thomas O'Donoh

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Thomas O'Donoh » Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Can you tell me why they are so bad under DOS? Is it possible that the
Win95 version would run better with an ATI?

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Ralf Be

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Ralf Be » Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:00:00

: Well, managed to get the demo from ftp.std.com (contrary to what everyone
: was saying earlier today, I DIDN'T get a "permission denied" message).
: Anyway, I digress.

: Simply put (just like Nascar) if you don't have a Pentium, don't bother
: with the SVGA mode. I have a DX4-100, 16 mb RAM, ATI Graphics Xpression
: VLB graphics card and even with a clean boot I got ch-ch-choppy performance
: unless pretty well all the graphics are turned off (and no, the UniVBE
: driver didn't work with my graphics card - it detected fine but the frame
: rate was worse).

While the ATI cards with the Mach chipset are good under windows, they
sadly are one of the worst cards you can get for dos-based games.

Sorry, but with that card you won't get a fluid framerate even with a
pentium 200...

Only the Millenium has overcome this problem.

Ralf

BillJF

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by BillJF » Sat, 25 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Actually, my 100MHz Pentium (PCI) runs far faster on ICR2's 640x480 SVGA
mode than NASCAR does in the same mode...I can turn on every graphical
option, and still get an acceptable frame rate...It's amazing...
Roger M Squir

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Roger M Squir » Sat, 25 Nov 1995 04:00:00


>While the ATI cards with the Mach chipset are good under windows, they
>sadly are one of the worst cards you can get for dos-based games.

        What garbage.  The mach64 is within 10% of any card out there.

        More garbage.

        And I gather you own one right?

rms

Roger M Squir

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Roger M Squir » Sat, 25 Nov 1995 04:00:00


        I'll add two hints to fastest mach64 bencchmarks:
        Use univbe51a, which was specifically released to cover
        the mach64, and also PCI owners should get the utility
        ctpci.zip and use it to disable burst mode.  The mach64
        is not happy with burst mode on and doing this will bump
        you 3dbench scores by several points.

rms

Stuart Boo

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Stuart Boo » Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:00:00



>>What garbage.  The mach64 is within 10% of any card out there.

>    I'll add two hints to fastest mach64 bencchmarks:
>    Use univbe51a, which was specifically released to cover
>    the mach64, and also PCI owners should get the utility
>    ctpci.zip and use it to disable burst mode.  

I did this a while back, but the instructions are in German, and,
well, perhaps my German isn't what it should be! What about BIOS
support for disabling burst mode? Got any English instructions on
CTPCI?

Personally I can't believe thet other cards are soooo much faster than
my ATI Mach64 as the original post implied. ICR2 runs with full
graphics at Laguna Seca very well, with the only tricky spot being at
the sharp S-bend(s). If this is poor then I would love to try
something else. Mixed with my complete lack of problems running it
with a variety of OSs means I'm happy.

Stuart
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Thomas O'Donoh

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Thomas O'Donoh » Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:00:00




>>What garbage.  The mach64 is within 10% of any card out there.

>    I'll add two hints to fastest mach64 bencchmarks:
>    Use univbe51a, which was specifically released to cover
>    the mach64, and also PCI owners should get the utility
>    ctpci.zip and use it to disable burst mode.  The mach64
>    is not happy with burst mode on and doing this will bump
>    you 3dbench scores by several points.

Can you tell me what this program does and how I use it???

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Sean Sibb

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Sean Sibb » Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:00:00


>Actually, my 100MHz Pentium (PCI) runs far faster on ICR2's 640x480 SVGA
>mode than NASCAR does in the same mode...I can turn on every graphical
>option, and still get an acceptable frame rate...It's amazing...

I have a P100 with 512k cache, 32mb of RAM, and a Diamond Stealth 64
with 2 MB of VRAM (not DRAM) and I cannot drive with all the graphics
on... what do you consider an acceptable frame rate?? I can't stand
playing either ICR2 or NASCAR with anything less than SMOOOTH
anination.
Matt Howel

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Matt Howel » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00



> >What garbage.  The mach64 is within 10% of any card out there.

>         I'll add two hints to fastest mach64 bencchmarks:
>         Use univbe51a, which was specifically released to cover
>         the mach64, and also PCI owners should get the utility
>         ctpci.zip and use it to disable burst mode.  The mach64
>         is not happy with burst mode on and doing this will bump
>         you 3dbench scores by several points.

> >rms

        I have a Quantex Pentium 100, 16M, PCI bus, with an ATI
Graphics Xpression 2Mb DRAM video card. I got the ICR2 demo last week
and was very pleased with the results. It seems much faster than
Nascar and probably slightly slower than the frame rate on NFS, which
is incredibly smooth. I run all these in SVGA. Univbe doesn't appear
to work with my system. Is this a way of making my system run these
games even faster? Can you explain in more detail how to go about
making the necessary changes.
        By the way, as soon as I can find it I will be buying the
full version of ICR2.

mho

sph..

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by sph.. » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Hi  I got P5-100 with S3 Trio 64,  16Mram..  I played the game will most of the
texture turned off.. coz I think the min framerate for me is at least 20fps.

Anything less than that just doesn't do the fun..  or we should play Ridge racer
on the PSX to get a feeling of 60fps.

Rgds,
Bernard.

Ralf Be

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Ralf Be » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00


: : Well, managed to get the demo from ftp.std.com (contrary to what everyone
: : was saying earlier today, I DIDN'T get a "permission denied" message).
: : Anyway, I digress.

: : Simply put (just like Nascar) if you don't have a Pentium, don't bother
: : with the SVGA mode. I have a DX4-100, 16 mb RAM, ATI Graphics Xpression
: : VLB graphics card and even with a clean boot I got ch-ch-choppy performance
: : unless pretty well all the graphics are turned off (and no, the UniVBE
: : driver didn't work with my graphics card - it detected fine but the frame
: : rate was worse).

: While the ATI cards with the Mach chipset are good under windows, they
: sadly are one of the worst cards you can get for dos-based games.

: Sorry, but with that card you won't get a fluid framerate even with a
: pentium 200...

: Only the Millenium has overcome this problem.

Oops, sorry. I mixed the names Matrox and Mach....

The Mach chips are good under dos, while the Matrox cards (exception: millenium)
are very slow.

Again, sorry.

Ralf

Michael E. Carv

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Michael E. Carv » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00


:       I'll add two hints to fastest mach64 bencchmarks:
:       Use univbe51a, which was specifically released to cover
:       the mach64, and also PCI owners should get the utility
:       ctpci.zip and use it to disable burst mode.  The mach64
:       is not happy with burst mode on and doing this will bump
:       you 3dbench scores by several points.

Well I tried your 2 hints with No Difference.  I have a P5-90 with a PCI
ATI Mach64 card with 2mb of ram.  First of all there is no way to use
univbe with the linear framebuffer enabled with the Mach64 in ICR2.
There is something screwy with the way ICR2 loads the driver.  I have
been able to load the 51a driver with the 51 univbe.exe program (had to
hex out the "a" after the 51 in the driver file).  No difference.

I tried ctpci & ctpci2x and tried all kinds of combinations of turning
things on and off.  Most made no difference (unless I messed with the
memory transfer settings and things got worse).  Nothing made an
increase in either 3dBench or univbe's profile numbers.

The best my 3dBench score ever got was 71.4 (normal).  Even running
the program I got with my computer (mergeon.exe) which is supposed to
force burst mode doesn't change the 3dBench score.

I have a sneaky suspicion the SciTech Software says that univbe supports
the mach64 series only because it doesn't BLOW-UP.  It may not cause any
problems, but it certainly doesn't make it work any better.

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Dave Fenwic

ICR2 = No Big Deal...Read On!

by Dave Fenwic » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Your ATI card is optimized for polygon type graphics.  Since most DOS
games use bitmap graphics, the ATI card is not much better than using a
Trident 16-bit card.  Well, that's an exaggeration, but it's a good
example.

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