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RASCAR: General Observations

redTe

RASCAR: General Observations

by redTe » Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:36:55

It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner.
It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

Eldre

RASCAR: General Observations

by Eldre » Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:04:16



>(Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a loss to explain
>why you seem to be so far off the fast pace Eldred, unless you're just
>being tooo damn careful, or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a
>hockey puck.

Nah, I don't take it the wrong way.  I'm slow, and I know it.  I just don't
know WHY.  Could be computer, wheel, monitor, lack of skill, all of the above.
Yeah, I'm careful - I'm trying to keep from crashing and sticking it in the
FENCE.
I take it back - I just checked.  My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap
during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405.  I have another league race there
tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten...

LOL!  You're SICK, John...<g>

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Tom Pabs

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by Tom Pabs » Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:42

Ah, got it, Goy.  Think I will stay out of it then....

TP




> > RT...

> > I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments.  In
fact, I
> > bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains some
stuff
> > they didn't know.  I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everything
he
> > said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases.

> > Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to
> > grind" with John?

> For John Simmons and reddyTeddy here, replace with Tom Pabst and David
> Powell....

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Eldre

RASCAR: General Observations

by Eldre » Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:02:50



>I take it back - I just checked.  My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap
>during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405.  I have another league race there
>tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten...

I looked in my records file.  That 39.775 lap was NOT in the RASCAR race.  It
was in another league race on the 3rd.  So I may not have run under 40
Saturday.  I certainly didn't do it tonight.  Practice 40.704, Qual 41.098,
race 40:5xx I think.  about 1.2 to 1.5 seconds slower than the rest of the
field(fixed fast setup).  Even near the end, I was about.7 seconds slower than
a guy who's car got torn up in 3 different wrecks.  He didn't even have a hood,
and my car didn't have a scratch on it.
I'll be resigning from that league in the morning - shit, I almost got lapped
in the last 25 or so lap green flag run to the end.  Dammit...

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John Simmon

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by John Simmon » Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:14:31





> >I take it back - I just checked.  My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap
> >during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405.  I have another league race there
> >tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten...

> I looked in my records file.  That 39.775 lap was NOT in the RASCAR race.  It
> was in another league race on the 3rd.  So I may not have run under 40
> Saturday.  I certainly didn't do it tonight.  Practice 40.704, Qual 41.098,
> race 40:5xx I think.  about 1.2 to 1.5 seconds slower than the rest of the
> field(fixed fast setup).  Even near the end, I was about.7 seconds slower than
> a guy who's car got torn up in 3 different wrecks.  He didn't even have a hood,
> and my car didn't have a scratch on it.
> I'll be resigning from that league in the morning - shit, I almost got lapped
> in the last 25 or so lap green flag run to the end.  Dammit...

> Eldred

I think it's a copule of things:

1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest
of us are.  Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used
to it.  I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the
setup and find where the speed is.  After that, I with run the AI at
about 94% to get used to traffic on the track.  Then, I bump it down to
about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more
at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily.  By then, I'm ready
for some online stuff.

2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race.  You can be
afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when the
opportunity presents itself.  Your connections are good enough that you
can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race.  The only
people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping side-
to-side because of warp.

3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you
using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog wheel?  
What is your linearity setting?  Maybe changing it would be a good idea.

4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required to
practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I
personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in more
than one league at a time.

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by Eldre » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:40:08



>I think it's a copule of things:

>1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest
>of us are.  Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used
>to it.  I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the
>setup and find where the speed is.  After that, I with run the AI at
>about 94% to get used to traffic on the track.  Then, I bump it down to
>about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more
>at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily.  By then, I'm ready
>for some online stuff.

I can pass easily at 85%.  90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on most
tracks.

I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people.  I think I've made
maybe 2 contested passes in the RASCAR races.  Most of the spots I gain are
because someone crashes or discos.

TSW2mod, no FF.  I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's about
92%-95%.  I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT control the car.
 I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig.  Hey Fester - can I
drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-)

How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race?  I don't think
it takes 4 hours every day to prepare.  Besides, what can you learn in the 4th
hour that you didn't learn in the first 3?

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Uwe Schuerkam

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by Uwe Schuerkam » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:19:09


> It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner.
> It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

just my humble observation:

Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions
using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname
which is what you seem to prefer.

cheers,

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redTe

RASCAR: General Observations

by redTe » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:00:56



> > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his
corner.
> > It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

> just my humble observation:

> Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions
> using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname
> which is what you seem to prefer.

My names Ted. What's the friggin' difference ???? It's a real nickname for a real
person..Why am I explaining myself to you anyway.. Good grief. You want names and
addresses ? Phone numbers,perhaps ?
John Simmons, if that is his real name, and who gives a *** if it isn't anyway, has
"kill-filed" me because he cannot face up to his own inadequacies or his previous ***
posts made to me about WSC when I started a thread that indicated my belief that it "may"
have been vapourware..Guess what ?..........
IT WAS..
Happy ? Now please go away , Uwe.
Larr

RASCAR: General Observations

by Larr » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:24:28

At Michigan, the #1 sc*** of speed is entering the corners too early and
too fast.

I've found that it's best to let up early, drift down into the apex late,
and make up for it on exit.  ESPECIALLY when using a pushy setup like the
fast setup.

I also think, at least with the fast setup, it's faster to stay 1/2 car
width up from the line and not necessarily right down on the line, except
that you want to get as close as possible to it right as you are about to
come out of turns 2/4.  You have to have a late entry at slower speeds to do
this.

-Larry



Simmons

> >(Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a loss to explain
> >why you seem to be so far off the fast pace Eldred, unless you're just
> >being tooo damn careful, or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a
> >hockey puck.

> Nah, I don't take it the wrong way.  I'm slow, and I know it.  I just
don't
> know WHY.  Could be computer, wheel, monitor, lack of skill, all of the
above.
> Yeah, I'm careful - I'm trying to keep from crashing and sticking it in
the
> FENCE.
> I take it back - I just checked.  My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky
lap
> during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405.  I have another league race
there
> tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten...

> >I think it's time for you to pull it all the way out and throw it up on
> >the table with everyone else's so we can all compare sizes.

> LOL!  You're SICK, John...<g>

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John Simmon

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by John Simmon » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:13:16




> > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner.
> > It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

> just my humble observation:

> Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions
> using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname
> which is what you seem to prefer.

> cheers,

> uwe

It could also be that I have him kill-filed (he's the only person I've
kill-filed, so he is in an exclusive club).  The only time I see
anything from him is when someone reponds to him and quotes his
messages.

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redTe

RASCAR: General Observations

by redTe » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:21:57



> > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his
corner.
> > It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

JS is the biggest bullshitter on this NG . Full of himself. remember when he threw his
toys out of the pram and ran off to GPL a few weeks back ?  Guess he couldn't cut it
there, now he's come crawling back to his beloved Rascar, where he can carry on insulting,
blaming, abusing all and sundry ...except himself. And her says I'm the only person he's
ever filtered from his reader..LOL.. I expect there are maybe only a dozen of his
favourite suck-ups that are not filtered.
adsale

RASCAR: General Observations

by adsale » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:40:58


> Ah, got it, Goy.  Think I will stay out of it then....

Might as well Tom, you're not going to get through to him

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grubba

RASCAR: General Observations

by grubba » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:57:29

Eldred,
I had trouble in the same race Eldred and couldn't even finish the freeking
race. At least you were consistent. Im thinking about getting FF wheeel so
that I can get some more input as to what the car is doing. I got a headset
and turned the tire noise up and that helped alot but I think that I am
missing out on some clues. Also, I tried to use the brakes some and that
helped my lap times during practice but I never could get consistent with
it. I tried it in the race and it just slowed me down. I'm starting to get
the 'Eldred Fever' now and don't know what pill to take. I'm afraid if I get
to aggressive, then I will become the wrecker that I so dispise.
<sigh>
grub



Simmons

> >I think it's a copule of things:

> >1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest
> >of us are.  Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used
> >to it.  I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the
> >setup and find where the speed is.  After that, I with run the AI at
> >about 94% to get used to traffic on the track.  Then, I bump it down to
> >about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more
> >at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily.  By then, I'm ready
> >for some online stuff.

> I can pass easily at 85%.  90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on most
> tracks.

> >2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race.  You can be
> >afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when the
> >opportunity presents itself.  Your connections are good enough that you
> >can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race.  The only
> >people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping side-
> >to-side because of warp.

> I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people.  I think I've
made
> maybe 2 contested passes in the RASCAR races.  Most of the spots I gain
are
> because someone crashes or discos.

> >3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you
> >using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog wheel?
> >What is your linearity setting?  Maybe changing it would be a good idea.

> TSW2mod, no FF.  I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's
about
> 92%-95%.  I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT control the
car.
>  I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig.  Hey Fester -
can I
> drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-)

> >4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required to
> >practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I
> >personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in more
> >than one league at a time.

> How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race?  I don't
think
> it takes 4 hours every day to prepare.  Besides, what can you learn in the
4th
> hour that you didn't learn in the first 3?

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Don Burnett

RASCAR: General Observations

by Don Burnett » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:12:55

Don't feel bad Eldred,
I used to be fairly competitive in N1, 2, and 3.
N4 and N2002 I am typically slower than most, you probably wouldn't have
much trouble keeping up with me.
I don't know what it is, I just can't seem to put it together with the new
physics engine - or else, my age is catching up with me :).
I also went from a TSW2, to a Momo, and still am running about the same slow
speeds. It's almost like my car just doesn't have the grip to keep up with
others.

Don Burnette


> Eldred,
> I had trouble in the same race Eldred and couldn't even finish the
freeking
> race. At least you were consistent. Im thinking about getting FF wheeel so
> that I can get some more input as to what the car is doing. I got a
headset
> and turned the tire noise up and that helped alot but I think that I am
> missing out on some clues. Also, I tried to use the brakes some and that
> helped my lap times during practice but I never could get consistent with
> it. I tried it in the race and it just slowed me down. I'm starting to get
> the 'Eldred Fever' now and don't know what pill to take. I'm afraid if I
get
> to aggressive, then I will become the wrecker that I so dispise.
> <sigh>
> grub




> Simmons

> > >I think it's a copule of things:

> > >1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest
> > >of us are.  Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used
> > >to it.  I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate
the
> > >setup and find where the speed is.  After that, I with run the AI at
> > >about 94% to get used to traffic on the track.  Then, I bump it down to
> > >about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more
> > >at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily.  By then, I'm ready
> > >for some online stuff.

> > I can pass easily at 85%.  90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on
most
> > tracks.

> > >2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race.  You can
be
> > >afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when
the
> > >opportunity presents itself.  Your connections are good enough that you
> > >can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race.  The only
> > >people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping
side-
> > >to-side because of warp.

> > I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people.  I think I've
> made
> > maybe 2 contested passes in the RASCAR races.  Most of the spots I gain
> are
> > because someone crashes or discos.

> > >3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you
> > >using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog
wheel?
> > >What is your linearity setting?  Maybe changing it would be a good
idea.

> > TSW2mod, no FF.  I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's
> about
> > 92%-95%.  I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT control
the
> car.
> >  I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig.  Hey Fester -
> can I
> > drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-)

> > >4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required
to
> > >practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I
> > >personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in
more
> > >than one league at a time.

> > How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race?  I
don't
> think
> > it takes 4 hours every day to prepare.  Besides, what can you learn in
the
> 4th
> > hour that you didn't learn in the first 3?

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Bamada

RASCAR: General Observations

by Bamada » Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:04:14

Dang Don you stole my story. Same thing here except I was OK in N4. When my TM
wheel died I screwed up and bought MSFF and can't seem to get used to it. Also
got flat panel monitor. Sure wish I could think up more excuses but...... :)
Dan


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