Gogamer.com has the DVD version for $24.90
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
That's where I got my version from, but mine is the CD version.
Bill
>>Seriously, for anyone who hasn't tried RBR, you are missing some great
>>fun.
> You know, I don't think I've ever even SEEN that in the stores... I
> checked interactcd.com, and they have it for $29.95. Where have
> people seen it for $20?
> Eldred
I thought Squid had 8 arms?
dave henrie
I think there are any number of great sims now.
WRT GTR complaints. Online - probably justified. Offline - the fact
is that no sim has modeled bumps anywhere near this well, so it feels
strange compared to the unrealistically smooth sims everyone's used to.
Watch an incar of LeMans - looks _exactly_ like GTR. The cars are
dancing around like crazy. Yeah, it's tough to drive. But my times
keep improving as I do it better, the skills involved are realistic
ones, and I always know what I'm doing wrong. I can't say the same
about GPL, as good as it is.
RBR. If this doesn't e*** you, I'm surprised. I'm still trying to
pass that last darn lesson. Just not good enough. When I get
frustrated with that I go to Nevada and let it all hang out. Woo.
NASCAR. People just say they don't get NASCAR. The difference is that
NASCAR is a competition between drivers, not cars or tracks. You need
to be able to drive a corner a tenth of a second faster than the other
guy, adjust your line to deal with traffic or your setup/tires, and
know when to make a move and when to hold back and wait for a better
opportunity. Tire management is crucial in longer races. There's a
_lot_ to it (mostly involving thinking), just different stuff than
roadracing. To me, different is good.
GPL holds up amazingly well, but I think GTR has pretty well surpassed
it offline. GPL seems artificial by comparison, particularly in how
the cars respond to setup changes. Screwy setups work in GPL, but not
in GTR.
>> I dunno, the GTR demo didn't convince me of much. I've never seen a
>> car bounce up and down ***ly everytime you touch the brake pedal.
> Then you never watched a replay of any online Papy mod have you?
>:)
> One of the things that bothers me about GTR is not under braking
> but
> acceleration. The old Viper washboards when I exit a slow
> corner(which as most of you know, is just about EVERY corner) The
> front dips, then the back etc, it's like I'm on a playground ride
> called a teeter-totter(usa)
> dave henrie
Thanks...I'll look into that. I noticed that using the Fast default
setup at Spa, I got very little of the porpiseing effect that I mentioned
above. However, using one of Gregor Huttu's setups at Estoril, that is
where the bouncing seemed the worst. Especially after the middle straight
and the sharp left. There is a medium length straight before you turn
right to go through the Esto<?> Chicane. On that straight, between turns 5
and 6 if you don't count the kink in the 2nd longest straight, I can't seem
to put any power down due to the bouncing.
dave henrie
> http://www.bambootrading.com/1800/1819.jpg
Anyone that thinks the bumps are over-modeled in GTR obviously dont have a
clue about reality. Did you watch the SJ cart race?
I almost cracked a rib when some moron says GTP over models the bumps. Papy
(or anyone) was never even close to reality in this regard. A few tracks
are pretty smooth, but not many and not that smooth.
GTR is right on regarding the bumps in conjunction with head movement feels
very realistic.
Id bet most here dont even turn on head "G"s.
<using one of Gregor Huttu's setups at Estoril, that is
where the bouncing seemed the worst. Especially after the middle
straight and the sharp left. There is a medium length straight before
you turn right to go through the Esto<?> Chicane. On that straight,
between turns 5 and 6 if you don't count the kink in the 2nd longest
straight, I can't seem to put any power down due to the bouncing. >
Some stuff from some recent MotoGP websites:
"Nicky had said the surface wasn't as bad as a lot of guys were saying,
no worse than at Estoril as an example. "
"Again the low grip levels are a factor, as are the repetitive bumps in
the track surface on the exits of the turns, which can unsettle a fast
bike on old tires easily."
"The track lies 20 miles west of Lisbon and is close to the town of
Sintra. The 4.182km circuit features a balance of turns with nine
rights and four lefts. Built in 1972 the surface is now bumpy in parts
and some riders are unsure over the asphalt's ability to provide
dependable grip over a race weekend."
"Estoril is also one of the most difficult circuits to find the right
suspension settings. The front suspension is subject to heavy braking
at the end of the start/finish straight and also in the straight
leading onto the Parabolica Interior corner. It is therefore necessary
to fit hard springs, although the circuit is quite bumpy and these hard
springs do not absorb the bumps so well which often pushes the bike off
the racing line. The same problem is apparent in the rear suspension
too. On the one hand there is a section of esses and also a corner
taken in fifth gear at more than 230 km/h which in normal circumstances
would mean fitting hard springs to make the rear more rigid. However,
on the other hand, the lack of grip on the track and the bumpy surface
means we must choose a softer suspension to reach a compromise. "
Welcome to reality. GTR rocks.
Bob
Each time I heard this I had to laugh at the people here who truly believe
in their hearts that GTR's slick bumpiness is unrealistic. And these are fn
Trucks on an Oval no less.
.
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Eldred
That one's ***... the thing I like about RBR is you first get in and
it understeers everywhere. And I mean *everywhere*. You have to learn
how to left-foot brake to even get around most of the corners. In
fact, it's pretty realistic in that regard. The first time I got a
proper pendulum going, I couldn't get the grin off my face!
That is a fantastic way to sum it up. I'm just not made for NASCAR, or
it's not made for me, or whatever, but I respect the skills involved.
Everything that racing means to me seems at odds to what is involved in
NASCAR, but it obviously appeals to a lot of people and I respect that.
GPL is great, but the tyre model is damn awful. The thing that puts me
off most is the GPL 'bounce'-when you're sliding and one end moves a
bit, then with the increased AoA, the other end returns, and you end up
yawing laterally a few degrees left and right through the turns. It
reminds me of an F-16 deep stall, where it just settles and you have to
follow the yaw moments with your controls until you can get it out of
the other end. Everything else about that sim is great though, I'd
love to see the source leaked so we could fix it up-it worked so well
for Falcon 4.0...
Ahem, great physics? RBR, yes but GTP? Well, I guess they're not
contaminated with complexity...
Jason
