rec.autos.simulators

   --------------------------- from people who haven't had the guts to
put their REAL e-mail addresses in their messages.

    That is the mark of cowardice.  

     This newsgroup is here to allow everyone to express their
opinions and objectivity.

     I have never felt someone was out of line becasue he or she
stated what they felt was important enough to post here -------- that
is what this newsgroup is for.

    I have to admit I do not have the millions of dollars to develop
MY OWN software company ------------- but I AM in business and I
attempt to supply each and every customer with a product that he or
she can utilize to their best.

    I DO NOT just take for granted that "TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT"
attitude.

    That is what MICROPROSE did ------------ I sure didn't hear anyone
being easy on them about GP2 and it's inherent problems and their lack
of coming back and attempting to utilize thier background to make the
consumers happy with their product.

    IF I have an opinion ------------ I am going to express it
--------- and if you LAME-BRAINS what to flame me and NOT IDENTIFY
yourselves ---------- fine

   I used to be a police officer --------- I am used to idiots calling
me names and the like ---------------- I just catagorized them with
the other***ant ---- snot nosed ------- punks that make up this
society.

    You three who haven't the guts to identify yourself are obviously
just another three in that group of low life of this world

  DOUG

Whatever that be...

me names and the like ----------------

No wonder. Look at yourself.

the other***ant ---- snot nosed ------- punks that make up this
society.

That could be the reason why you ain't a POLICE-OFFICER no more

Aaaw, Mister POLICE-OFFICER-NO-MORE, why don't you just...ooops, almost got
onto YOUR level...

Mea***er

FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAME++++FLAM
E

This has happened before with sims and r.a.s., and it will happen again.
Same exact situation, different sim.

 I think it's an excellent sim but it does have faults. Pointless though in
bringing them up with these guys. You could have a logical discussion with
some of them, and maybe get a beter understanding of the causes, but it
would get drowned out by the rah, rah, stuff. Then statements get twisted,
insults fly, and you end up with nothing but nonsense. What's funny is that
the Papyrus folks would probably be far more open to any criticisms, and
infinitely less defensive if you were able to talk with them. I don't know
that they really learn much form someone who just tells them everything is
great.

Developers don't come to r.a.s. and discuss their sims, except to maybe give
technical help. I wonder why?  :-)  If the knowledge here is so
incredible.......

 What you'll get here is the "cult" of GPL.

"My sim is better than any other, therefore I am better than any other."

Odd because no one here is on the Papyrus payroll. Guys try to attach
themselves to a sim by supporting it strongly, then maybe they feel like
they helped develop it. The same situation happens with sports teams and
their fans.

It's a shame because this newsgroup is supposed to be about sims in general,
not a competition. Guys get pissed at me just because I happen to appreciate
the efforts of more than one company. Too bad.

Lawrence and Zonker described the situation well last week.

David G Fisher

--
Pat Dotson

hah hah!! I'm sure they're quivering in their boots now.  Hah hah ha, whoo
hoo hoo, hah ha !!

Again someone bringing up CPR. I haven't discussed CPR here for a long,
long, time, except to reference it's online play recently. I doubt I'll play
any one sim for a year or more anymore. I offered help to anyone who needed
it with controller problems, and spent a number of hours of my time giving
that help (hardly call that "blowing people off") in private e-mails to
people. I gave them setups and controller settings which solved their
problems 90% of the time.

Where have I "nitpicked the hell" out of GPL. I said it's "excellent", an
"A", and "one of my two current favorite sims". IMO it has some faults as
well.

As if no one here is guilty of nitpicking, let alone all out attacks, on
sims.

It's easy to see where this thread is headed.

Will I be "allowed" to like PSCR when it's released? Will I be allowed to
recommend it to people, and state that it may do some, or many things, in an
excellent fashion? Can I criticise it too, or should I just go with the
crowd? You guys tell me. I don't want to upset you anymore.

David G Fisher

One thing that's been bugging me:  what's with the dashes?  What emotion are
you trying to convey?

Ben

Aloha,
          Mike

Cheers!
John

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

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Subject:  Re: GPL vs. Cart Pecision Racing
Date:     Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:25:14 -0500

Organization:   Prodigy Services Corp
Newsgroups:     rec.autos.simulators
References:     1 , 2

Funy how r.a.s. works. I was able to drive inches from the wall at 225
mph
the entire length of the track whenever I wanted or needed to.

David G Fisher

What about the other 10% then?

Your main complaint that I see is that sim-drivers
don't use the same line the AI use.  Fine, it's
obvious that they are different.  But comments
like, "something got lost between the realistic
physics and a realistic driving experience",
when talking about GPL, are ludicrous if you
compare GPL to any other sim out there.  It's
so inconsequential.  You spend lots of time
arguing that small point, yet gloss over 10%
of the people you've personally come in contact
with who can't get CARTPR to work right.  Then
you call people who have major, glaring
problems with CARTPR cultists.

I apologize for getting into personal criticisms
of you.  But you seem to lack perspective of
problems with different sims.

I hope that you and I and everyone else love PSCR
so much that we don't do anything else, including
post here, for a while.

--
Pat Dotson

Cheers!

--
Graeme Nash

You know what to do with "don't_spam_me"...
http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk/
ICQ# 11257824

"My car appeared to disagree with my preference for living"

I only have so much time in my life to devote to writing e-mails to people
with problems with their sims. If I couldn't help someone, I referred them
to a web site or someone who could. Usually, the people I couldn't help had
a particular controller which I knew nothing about. A web site had detailed
instructions to fix the problem. Also, some people never bother to tell you
if you solved their problem or not.

Christer Anderson made comments regarding the handling of the cars and
realism about a week ago which I completely agree with. I think his comments
explain why I see what I do when I look at replays. It's that simple. He
didn't rip the sim at all (he likes it a lot if I believe), and neither have
I. Randy Magruder had similiar concerns in his interview with Doug Arnao.

People here at r.a.s. have joked about what GPL with rain would be like but
really consider it for a moment. The real drivers of the past, which you can
see in film, still were able to race fairly controlled in the rain. What
would it be like for us?

Byron made comments about multiplay this past week which I also agree with.
They basically went ignored by certain people here.

You guys view my comments differently because you think I don't like the sim
at all, even though I've said over and over I do. Since day one, I have said
it's great. I think I know why too. Somehow, I'm connected with a particular
software company which is the Evil Empire on r.a.s. Because I beta test? I
guess that company will want me shot now since I've praised Ubi and Papyrus
a lot lately.  I'm about to beta a flight sim (Fly!) for another company
soon. Should I be worried? Silly. Who cares?

I've had criticisms of every sim I've tried. I am probably far more POSITIVE
overall than most here though, and I appreciate what many sim developers
have done, which also seems to draw criticism (probably more than anything
else).  MS, Ubi, and Papyrus, have each done some amazing things in the past
year in their sims. Others have too. It's a no win situation unless I agree
completely with the most vocal, core group. If the consensus opinion was
always correct, then everyone in this world would be happy and rich.

To be honest, I'm not sure why you've come after me so strong. If I've ever
ripped you, then I apologize, but I honestly don't remember doing so. Your
name on this group is very familiar to me, and I've always read your posts
on different topics so apparently I must respect them. I also don't remember
ever sparring with you on anything in the past.

Dave

Hey, isn't that the same company that wrote CPR..... :-)