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Talladega Woes....

Eric T. Busc

Talladega Woes....

by Eric T. Busc » Thu, 09 May 1996 04:00:00


> Moronic. Yes.  Possible.  No.  If it's possible for 2 cars to successfully navigate the tri-oval at
> full speed, side-by-side, I'll eat my shorts. :-)  The only reason why you were able to pass was
> because the car you passed probably came off the gas.  No one should attempt a pass through the
> tri-oval.  This is racing, not CHICKEN.  It only results in an accident or hard feelings, depending
> on whether the driver you're passing wants to resist or not.

Uh, you want fries with those shorts?  It is possible to pass low in the tri-oval.  What you
need to do is cut the corner so that you are nearly in the grass.  You should be able to
hold your line and exit the tri-oval at about the middle of the track.  The normal line
takes you further out towards the wall, so you both will come out ok.  The only problem is
that by cutting the turn that sharp, you loose some speed.  That's why I only recommend
trying it on the last lap if then.  you can usually beat the other car back to the line.  
During the middle of a race however, they will have more momentum and beat you back to turn
one.  It is better for you to just fall in line and pass low entering turn 1 or 3.

Yes, but I've seen some cars move up on the outside of drivers trying to protect their
insides.

Exactly, but that's not how people do it.  I've even seen cars stopped dead in the middle of
the tri-oval (people don't realize that your car stays on the track while you check out
replays).

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John Simmo

Talladega Woes....

by John Simmo » Fri, 10 May 1996 04:00:00


 >


 >>>Well, I'm at skill level (5) so I don't know if I qualify as an upper echelon
 >>>driver or not, but I'm going to answer anyway since I started this thread
 >>>initially.
 >
 >>> The slower cars need to run high in the turns (tri-oval excluded) because the
 >>>fastest racing line involves drifting below the white line before exiting the turns.
 >
 >  ... lots clipped for brevity
 >
 >>I can change my line to drive high around them and I doubt you will loose a
 >>position to the driver behind you, because he will have to run the same line
 >>you did to get around the slower driver.
 >
 >Finally a voice of reason! Many thanks..
 >

Actually, it depends on where he overtakes the slower driver.  At 'dega
(everybody's favorite track - grin)  You loose more time passing someone (or
slowing down to avoid passing someone) in the tri-oval than you would in turns
1/2.  The "fastest" passing is done on the backstretch in this case because
you don't have to alter your line significantly to require a change in
velocity.  You could theoretically loose a position if the car behind you is
close enough AND far enough back when you pass someone in the tri-oval or slow
down to avoid passing in the tri-oval.  If the following driver timed it
right, he'd begin his pass at the beginning of the backstretch and eventually
be dood to door with you because it takes forever (one lap is forever at
'dega) to get back up to top speed.

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Kenneth Howe

Talladega Woes....

by Kenneth Howe » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00


>car's line through the turn.) If I had stayed high, I would
>have taken an entire lane away from the leaders for a longer
>period of time. If I was only a couple of mph off the
>leaders' speed then I would go high to let them through.

>On other tracks it is easier for slower cars to stay high but
>not Talladega. What do you upper echelon drivers think?

For me?  If I am not pitting, then I stay high and send a
message to pass LOW when I see cars coming up behind me.

I'm a old tester, so I have taken a few laps around the
tracks..(got the bills to prove it<G>)

A good way to do it if you are damaged car trying to make
laps..I hit F2 to pull up the list, then hit ENTER to toggle
the screen to show who's ahead and who's directly behind. If
you are creepin' and 170..cars coming up at 200 are easy to
spot so you can set your self up where the best place to be is.

KenH

Dan Hauge

Talladega Woes....

by Dan Hauge » Thu, 23 May 1996 04:00:00



> >On other tracks it is easier for slower cars to stay high but
> >not Talladega. What do you upper echelon drivers think?

> For me?  If I am not pitting, then I stay high and send a
> message to pass LOW when I see cars coming up behind me.

That will work for me. Some drivers do need to signal their
intentions more. I have come up on a couple of guys in the middle
lane just before 1 or 3 and had to guess. They did hold their line
so it wasn't a problem but a "wave by" would have been nice.

I think you qualify. :)

I do this. That info is essential and emulates a spotter as well as
anything. I like knowing when it is safe to back off to let the
leaders pass. I actually slowed just enough on the apron of the back
stretch at the end of one race to keep the leaders from having to
deal with me in turn 3. They didn't know it but I gave them a clear
track to the finish.

I still prefer the slower cars to stay low but if someone gets caught
high in the turn and waves to pass low, the problem is minor.

 Dan


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