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F1 2001 yes it is garbage

Rob Adam

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by Rob Adam » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 02:53:10

Well yeah, but in theory (!) the drivers implement D3D services (API's), so
if the game developers use those API's correctly their code should be
forward-compatible with any future driver release.

You could blame nVidia instead of EA I suppose, if it wasn't for the fact
that N4, GPL, the RT demo, and Red Faction (the games I currently have on my
HD) run fine with the latest official (21.83) nVidia drivers but F1 2001
doesn't. Those other developers seem to have been able to use the API
correctly.

That being said, F12001 runs OK on my PC, in windowed mode, except for
skeleton cars in the mirrors and a few other little glitches. It is a buggy
game but not as bad as it's being made out to be.




> >I still believe that EA should make sure that such a recent sim should
run
> >with the latest official drivers for the most popular graphics adapters.

> Wouldn't that depend on when the driver came out relative to the
development
> cycle of the program?  I actually *wouldn't* expect developers to be able
to
> keep up, since the drivers change so often...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David G Fishe

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by David G Fishe » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:06:31


I said it the other day, and I'll say it again now since history is being
re-written. GPL ran like shit on all but the absolute fastest CPU when it
was released. People had to go out and buy Celeron 300's and overclock them
to 366. Also, people ended up buying Rendition cards for GPL, even though
the Voodoo was best for just about everything else.

I'd rather install different drivers than buy a new system for one game.

N4 had crappy AI (people here screamed about it) and it took Papyrus two
months before a patch was released.

BTW, the only games that ever had trouble with my old T2 wheel were GPL and
N4.

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by David G Fishe » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:08:24

Oh yea, I forgot about the copy protection issues with N4.

David G Fisher





> > All Papyrus games are quite polished before they
> > are released and if a patch is required, they respond.

> I said it the other day, and I'll say it again now since history is being
> re-written. GPL ran like shit on all but the absolute fastest CPU when it
> was released. People had to go out and buy Celeron 300's and overclock
them
> to 366. Also, people ended up buying Rendition cards for GPL, even though
> the Voodoo was best for just about everything else.

> I'd rather install different drivers than buy a new system for one game.

> N4 had crappy AI (people here screamed about it) and it took Papyrus two
> months before a patch was released.

> BTW, the only games that ever had trouble with my old T2 wheel were GPL
and
> N4.

> David G Fisher

Chris Roger

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by Chris Roger » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:59:06

Well said... There is Papyrus and then there is EVERYONE else.  No one ever
has or ever will compare to a Papy sim.  I just wish they were working on a
CART sim.

Chris


> FYI - 'stable platform' can mean several things but low framerate would be
> the least problem. With all G3 drivers for this product  'stable platform'
> means severe screen corruption. The only official drivers that work but
> poorly with F1 2001 is the very old 12.90 which are oh so slow. The up to
> date official drivers are unusable with the game.

> In the past EA have used the public at their expense to beta test their
> products and then instead of a patch have released a later version that
> needs to be purchased again!

> Your snobbery answer is just ridiculous as I would love to own a modern F1
> sim, but this is not it. All Papyrus games are quite polished before they
> are released and if a patch is required, they respond.

> I admit it was my mistake to again purchase an EA product.

> If you prefer to own sub-standard products..well that speaks for itself!

> Alan



> > And what is the above quote supposed to refer to?  I'm guessing "stable
> > platform" has to do with the game, which in turn can refers to
> "framerates",
> > among other things.

> > If you mean something else, then that's even LESS of a reason for saying
a
> > game is bad.  It's no one's fault (I know, you a computer expert and
have
> > been one for decades) you can't get the game running.  I had no problem.

> > But then-- hmm-- I'm no GPLS (Grand Prix Legend Snob).  Save your
> comments--
> > worthless, as I see them-- for your own clique.

> > Alanb

Alan Bernard

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by Alan Bernard » Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:35:51

Contemptible?  Did you not start with the "READ the f**king post before u
reply!"

Then you say, in another post-- "With all G3 drivers for this product
'stable platform'
means severe screen corruption. The only official drivers that work but
poorly with F1 2001 is the very old 12.90 which are oh so slow. The up to
date official drivers are unusable with the game."

Sounds like partially a frame-rate issue to me ("oh so slow").  Frame-rates
or no frame rates, you're basing the worth on F1 2001 on how it runs on your
machine, while with others, including myself (as I mentioned above), the
game runs just fine.

So I did read your initial post, and my interpretation, as you've said
yourself ("oh so slo" and other references to "drivers", etc.) was pretty
close to what you meant without your even realizing that you said it.

I certainly have no problem with anyone not liking a game.  Most of you know
more about what makes a good racing sim than I do.  But to say a racing sim
is not a sim simply because it runs poorly on your machine, is not my
problem, nor anyone else's, whose machine handles a particular game just
fine.

That's my point.  I don't rate the safety of a car based on the fact that
you have a tendency to slam it into a tree at 200 mph.

Alanb


> Thanks Jeff and Dave for replies that arn't contemptible.
> I have a second computer, relegated to being a dedicated server for
hosting
> GPL reaces and some serious work. This is a P3/800-V5500 combo. I thought
I
> would give it a try. Not only does F1-2001 run well but gives you the
option
> of running at greater frequency rates so preventing 'tired eyes' syndrome.
> It obvious that the sim has been optimised for this (I still consder
great)
> graphics adapter.

> I still believe that EA should make sure that such a recent sim should run
> with the latest official drivers for the most popular graphics adapters.

> The 12.90 drivers worked moderately well but I'm loath to wasting my time
> constantly changing between drivers with all that's involved i.e. time to
> uninstall the current drivers/reboot/reinstall suitable drivers for the
sim.
> This is really not acceptable for G3 owners especially as the difference
in
> benchmark between the latest driver and the 12.90 is almost 2000 points.
In
> my case a drop from 7081 to 5360

> incidently F1 2001 is running on the '3DFx' computer very smoothly at
> 1280x1024x16 (100hz) no FSAA

> I think it's the first time in 15 years that I have had to revert to an
> 'old' computer to run a game :)

> Alan



> > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:34 +0100, "Alan Coates"
> > >I admit it was my mistake to again purchase an EA product.

> > >If you prefer to own sub-standard products..well that speaks for
itself!

> > >Alan
> > Sorry to hear of your experiences, Alan but with my old, outdated 3dfx
> > 5500  the game is a joy. Much better than the last two offerings. My
> > racing machine continues to use the 3dfx board as I just have a
> > cartload of issues with the 3000 permutations of drivers that get
> > offered for the nvidia family. I use a gf2 on the other machine and
> > have had to switch drivers a number of times for various flight/fight
> > games. No way will I go to a new/latest/greatest graphics card from
> > anyone. The drivers always seem to lag way behind the hardware.
> > Staying a generation behind seems to help both the wallet and the
> > headaches.



> > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:28:32 +0100, "Alan Coates"

> > >Don't remember mentioning framerates ... READ the f**king post before u
> > >reply!

> > >Alan

> > I run the game on a GF2 using 12.90 drivers in windowed mode and it
> > runs great for me. And I'm not even a programmer.> Jeff

Alan Bernard

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by Alan Bernard » Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:38:31

This IS (ala Jonah Falcon) the real issue, isn't it?  A Lexus owner will
always damn a lesser make, no matter if the make is better or not.

Alanb


> Well said... There is Papyrus and then there is EVERYONE else.  No one
ever
> has or ever will compare to a Papy sim.  I just wish they were working on
a
> CART sim.

> Chris



> > FYI - 'stable platform' can mean several things but low framerate would
be
> > the least problem. With all G3 drivers for this product  'stable
platform'
> > means severe screen corruption. The only official drivers that work but
> > poorly with F1 2001 is the very old 12.90 which are oh so slow. The up
to
> > date official drivers are unusable with the game.

> > In the past EA have used the public at their expense to beta test their
> > products and then instead of a patch have released a later version that
> > needs to be purchased again!

> > Your snobbery answer is just ridiculous as I would love to own a modern
F1
> > sim, but this is not it. All Papyrus games are quite polished before
they
> > are released and if a patch is required, they respond.

> > I admit it was my mistake to again purchase an EA product.

> > If you prefer to own sub-standard products..well that speaks for itself!

> > Alan



> > > And what is the above quote supposed to refer to?  I'm guessing
"stable
> > > platform" has to do with the game, which in turn can refers to
> > "framerates",
> > > among other things.

> > > If you mean something else, then that's even LESS of a reason for
saying
> a
> > > game is bad.  It's no one's fault (I know, you a computer expert and
> have
> > > been one for decades) you can't get the game running.  I had no
problem.

> > > But then-- hmm-- I'm no GPLS (Grand Prix Legend Snob).  Save your
> > comments--
> > > worthless, as I see them-- for your own clique.

> > > Alanb

Captain Burc

F1 2001 yes it is garbage

by Captain Burc » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:29:28


I laughed loudly when I read that!


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