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F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

Matt Lanze

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Matt Lanze » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:34:30

Got F12000 when it first came out. Not bad, I thought. I can *feel* the
car. No, I couldn't *feel* it like I do in GPL, but I felt like I knew
what the car was doing. However, it was a sluggish, heavy feeling car.
Different than GP2 (which I had still occasionally played), but I liked
F12000 better.

Enter GP3... Got it the day it came out and was disappointed. It was,
alas, GP2.5 as I had been told. But I played it, and it grew on me. I
even tried to play it a lot, but then GPL crept back in and again took
hold of my simming time.

F1CS2000 is released.***that. I'll wait til F12001 comes out. I
don't want an "updated" game. I got that with GP2.5

John Bodin releases the "all-chassis" patch for F1SC2000. Sounds cool,
but I wonder if it'd work with the original F12000. Blow the dust off
the game, apply the patch, and I've got a great feeling game! I'm
actually having fun with this thing again. The patch however, is buggy
with F12000 so John makes up a patch specifically for this game. Better,
but there's still probs on my machine. (I'll tell ya bout 'em later,
John). I can live with 'em though. Finally a modern F1 game I really
enjoy. Too bad The AI really sucks in this game. Oh well... Guess you
can't have it all...

So I'm sitting on the toilet (sorry folks, but that's how it happened)
and I'm reading PC Gamer magazine, specifically Andy Manhood's review of
F1CS2000. "Enhanced physics. Realistic AI. Smoother framerates.
Beautiful new sound. This is what F12000 should have been. The new
Modern F1 King". I respect his reviews more than anyone's, considering
he was as awe-struck as I was when I first fired up GPL. Dammit. Off to
the store to spend another $30-$40 on practically the *same game*!

I get home, install it, set it up, and take 'er for a spin. Wow, this
*feels* fantastic! better than F12000 with the all-chassis patch! Motors
are sluggish again, though, but the framerates are much better, and the
AI actually seems to still have their brain stem intact... Wonderful,
but could it get better??? Off to the web to find John's patch for
F1cs2000. Got it!

I apply the patch. That zippy, blippy motor is back! Take a spin in a
Mac. Damn this car looks gorgeous from inside, now that I was able to
set the***pit detail to high because of the better framerates. Rev
limiter out of the pit... take the right that will lead me to Eu Rouge
(sp?)... Rev limiter off... BLIP! spin... (I love that patch!).
Straighten it back out, and head to... OH BAYBEE!! the fixed Eu Rouge!
Yessss! I get through, down the straight, motor screaming, tossing it
thru the next series of right/left/right turns, sliding, hopping on the
curbs, too much throttle coming out... Spin... but wait... That "oh, the
car is spinning, I'll just have to wait for it to stop" feeling is gone!
My corrective inputs actually help me right the car much quicker than
before (sorta *cough* GPL like)! Can you say powerslides? I can now(not
to the extent of GPL, but you can kick it out if ya wanna)!

To my Eagle in GPL... "Sorry, hon, but I'm gonna let you have a bit of a
rest. Don't worry, cause daddy's gonna be back before you know it, cause
some things only you can do for me and I'll always remember that. We'll
always have the 'Ring and a chicane-less Monza. But it's a big world out
there... Indy has to be driven backwards, and you need wings to go thru
the fast switchbacks at Sepang. Actually, I think you would like my new
friend if you could meet her. You have a lot in common.
Good night, dear... *kiss*

Once again, thanks to Andy Manhood for inspiring me sh!t or get off the
pot (literally) and get this game, as well as John Bodin for the
must-have all-chassis patch. Wonderful work guys. You made modern F1 fun
again!

Warlock!

Regular Race

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Regular Race » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:15:15

Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to
FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
between F12000 AND F12CS2000.

-Cheers!

Ashley McConnel

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Ashley McConnel » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:12:10

No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates.  My brother could
hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs.
Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines

Ash


| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to
| FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
| between F12000 AND F12CS2000.
|
| -Cheers!
|
|
|

Matt Lanze

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Matt Lanze » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:22:36

I know... I've got fraps too, but after seeing the slideshow starts for races
in F12000, you don't need fraps to tell ya about better framerates... you can
*see* the difference.

Warlock!


> Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to
> FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
> between F12000 AND F12CS2000.

> -Cheers!

Andre Warrin

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:07:04



<snip>

WARNING TO ALL GPL NEWBIES:
See, this is what happens to you once GPL gets you.
Avoid GPL at all costs!!! Play Sos37 or 4x4 Offroad instead!!

Andre

Andre Warrin

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:09:00

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:12:10 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"


>No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates.  My brother could
>hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs.
>Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines

On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or
whatever benchmark tries to tell me.

Andre

>Ash



>| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to
>| FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
>| between F12000 AND F12CS2000.
>|
>| -Cheers!
>|
>|
>|

Matt Lanze

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Matt Lanze » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:11:32

I guess I should throw in the fact that I have a P2 400 with a Voodoo3 300, 128
mb RAM

> I know... I've got fraps too, but after seeing the slideshow starts for races
> in F12000, you don't need fraps to tell ya about better framerates... you can
> *see* the difference.

> Warlock!


> > Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to
> > FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
> > between F12000 AND F12CS2000.

> > -Cheers!

TRUSRS

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by TRUSRS » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:59:49

Hey Warlock!

NYR here!

Welcome to the real world of F1 sim racing!

Now go check out the upcoming CART patch for it at www.champweb.net!!

Andre Warring

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Andre Warring » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:24:39


CART CART CART CART CART CART CART CART CART

Andre

Iain Mackenzi

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:58:59

No increase at all on my Athlon 1.2 and Geforce Ultra!
Iain


> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:12:10 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

> >No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates.  My brother could
> >hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs.
> >Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines

> On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or
> whatever benchmark tries to tell me.

> Andre

> >Ash



> >| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according
to
> >| FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference
> >| between F12000 AND F12CS2000.
> >|
> >| -Cheers!
> >|
> >|
> >|

Martin Urs

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Martin Urs » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:46:15



        I really am happy for you!  However, I believe the man's name
is 'Andy Mahood'.  

        Unless, of course, that's his ***o name...

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Matt Lanze

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Matt Lanze » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:16:11

man's name

Rats! And I always thought he had a really cool name!
Oh well...

Warlock!

Jag

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by Jag » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:43:39


Warringa) thus spoke:

Hehe...FRAPS does not lie.
--
Jagg

John Bod

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by John Bod » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:48:41




>man's name

>> is 'Andy Mahood'.

>>         Unless, of course, that's his ***o name...

>> Martin
>> Long Live Nigel Mansell!

>Rats! And I always thought he had a really cool name!
>Oh well...

>Warlock!

What were you REALLY doing in the bathroom, Matt?  Or maybe we DON'T
want to know . . .

;-)

-- JB

John Bod

F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

by John Bod » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:55:44



<LIBERAL SNIP>

WOW!  Thanks for the high praise, Matt -- I also admire Andy's take on
sims, and I am highly flattered to be lumped into that same company
(even if it is an indirect tie-in).  I am even more flattered, though,
that you are enjoying the All Chassis Patch so much.  

I had a LOT of help from other people when it came to ironing out all
the physics details, and also getting the AI to still function
properly with the new physics, so my role was more that of the
implementer, rather than the innovator.  Still, it took a lot of work
on my part to bring it all together get it all right, so it's really
great to see that my efforts have been so well-received.  I get a lot
of enjoyment from the patch myself, but I get even more enjoyment
knowing that others appreciate what I have done for the F1CS community
in general.

Many thanks!

;-)

-- JB

P.S.  Don't forget to tell me what you were seeing with the F12K All
Chassis Patch -- I'd still like to iron that out for the sake of those
still playing F1 2000 users!


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