rec.autos.simulators

by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:48:47

F1GP is still for sale, at www.grandprix1.com, or at least was recently.

-John

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> >> Maybe "old" warez don't count?

> >Yeah you're probably right...

> >Now let's start the fun....GPL is from 1997-1998 so i can put it on
download
> >on my FTP server ? For those of you who don't have it and can't find it
> >because it's getting harder and harder to get, I have French and UK
version
> >and I can provide CloneCd images.

> >Let's see how hard they are going to bang me, ha ha ha

> I think there's a difference between really old software that is
> impossible to find in the stores anymore and software that is still
> being sold.

> Also that's the category that the Underdogs are basing 'abandonwarez'
> on. If it's not being sold anymore, they put it on their site, if it
> can be bought they puts links to places that sell it on their site
> (even online order companies).

> But I agree, it's a fine thread to decide what is Abandonwarez and
> what is not. But it's nice to see those golden oldies are being kept
> alive thanks to sites as the Underdogs. Oldies from an age where
> gameplay was more important than fancy graphics.. sigh..

> Andre
> /Kick Off II still beats Fifa 2002

by **Alan Gauto** » Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:08:21

> > so basically it is ok to post warez links for GP1 but not for GPL or N4
or
> > F1 2001 ?

> Okay, let's look at the situation here a little. Tell me a shop where you
> still can buy World Circuit. Most of the people in the *** community
> consider morally legal to pass out any kind of software pre-Windows95,
> unless it is still being sold in stores.

EB, Game, HMV, ... many of these stores were certainly selling the game
earlier this year. In the case of EB/Game they were selling it as a twin
pack with Grand Prix Manager 1.

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by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 01 Dec 2001 02:14:57

> so basically it is ok to post warez links for GP1 but not for GPL or N4 or
> F1 2001 ?

There's a big difference between abandonware & warez. Sheesh.

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by **Txl** » Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:01:05

check out S.FERGUSON's post where he says that GP1 is still for sale on some
obscure compilation

> >> Most of the people in the *** community
> >> consider morally legal to pass out any kind of software pre-Windows95,
> >> unless it is still being sold in stores.

> >I wonder what is the legal value of this in front of a coyright
specialized
> >attorney...

> I don't.

> >I'm not trying to sell or promote anything here, i'd just like to have
SOME
> >(and not you specifically you francois) realize how hypocritical their
> >attitude towards warez is...

> You don;t see the difference between games that are not being sold
> anymore and games that still are being sold?

> Andre

by **ymenar** » Sat, 01 Dec 2001 05:56:24

> > Most of the people in the *** community
> > consider morally legal to pass out any kind of software pre-Windows95,
> > unless it is still being sold in stores.

> I wonder what is the legal value of this in front of a coyright
specialized
> attorney...

Abandonware is nothing new, there has been multiple cases of the law about
it. There is a sense of "archiving" that those people try to create with
abandonware. They are not doing anything as if they were bad people..
There is nothing else then entertainment and pleasure to be taken from those
games, there's no money to do anymore.

Just check out websites like The Underdogs or Mame, which are known by every
publisher on the planet yet they try to make available many pre-Win95 games,
unless the developper still has that title in the shelves (LucasArts,
Sierra, etc..). Even if they say "we are ok with that", it's technically
illegal by the law, but everybody is concent morally to say it's legal.

Hey, it's like pot in Canada <VBG> ;)

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by **Bart Brow** » Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:06:49

> Hey, it's like pot in Canada <VBG> ;)

So send us some already...

BB

by J » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:09:44

World Circuit ran under CP/M, right?

JensSchumi <g>

>Okay, let's look at the situation here a little. Tell me a shop where you
>still can buy World Circuit. Most of the people in the *** community
>consider morally legal to pass out any kind of software pre-Windows95,
>unless it is still being sold in stores.

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