seen in Bandits-Phoenix Rising demo....i love it.:)
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And with the $400 he spent on the Radeon he could have doubled his new
scores by getting a 2gig cpu instead.
dave henrie
> rms
> > An update here. I upgraded to XP, and after installing SP1 and the 9700
> > drivers on this page http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4081.html two
> > problems I'd seen in Win98 went away (3dmark crashing in Nature, and
> delayed
> > sound effects in SOF2). Now I score 5900 in 3dmark (the highest for my
> cpu
> > speed in madonion's database) and NOLF2 is running without a hitch at
> > 800x600x32 with high detail. I'm loving this card more every day :)
> > rms
> > Now THAT is CPU hindered!
> > He's losing the better part of 10000 marks because of it!
> > -Larry
> And with the $400 he spent on the Radeon he could have doubled his new
> scores by getting a 2gig cpu instead.
> dave henrie
> > > Now THAT is CPU hindered!
> > > He's losing the better part of 10000 marks because of it!
> > > -Larry
> > And with the $400 he spent on the Radeon he could have doubled his
new
> > scores by getting a 2gig cpu instead.
> > dave henrie
Yup...almost wasted the money if he's still only in the 5k range with
3dmark....of course..if he can NOW upgrade his cpu then he's fine...but if
he had the money for ONE upgrade only...the $400 spent on a vid card could
have purchased a very fast cpu that most likely, even with the old vidcard,
trounce the 3dmark score he has. Fast vid cards are great, but speed in
games comes first from the cpu. ALWAYS upgrade the cpu and THEN worry about
eye candy with new vidcards later.
dave henrie
>> I think the point was he would get more bang for the buck for
>> that kinda money with a new cpu than wasting $400 on a video
>> card that won't do anything for him without the CPU to run it.
>> Common sense really.
> Yup...almost wasted the money if he's still only in the 5k
> range with
> 3dmark....of course..if he can NOW upgrade his cpu then he's
> fine...but if he had the money for ONE upgrade only...the $400
> spent on a vid card could have purchased a very fast cpu that
> most likely, even with the old vidcard, trounce the 3dmark score
> he has. Fast vid cards are great, but speed in games comes
> first from the cpu. ALWAYS upgrade the cpu and THEN worry about
> eye candy with new vidcards later.
--
Iphigenie
http://www.iphi.net
> > I think the point was he would get more bang for the buck for that kinda
> > money with a new cpu than wasting $400 on a video card that won't do
> > anything for him without the CPU to run it. Common sense really.
> Yup...almost wasted the money if he's still only in the 5k range with
> 3dmark....of course..if he can NOW upgrade his cpu then he's fine...but if
> he had the money for ONE upgrade only...the $400 spent on a vid card could
> have purchased a very fast cpu that most likely, even with the old vidcard,
> trounce the 3dmark score he has. Fast vid cards are great, but speed in
> games comes first from the cpu. ALWAYS upgrade the cpu and THEN worry about
> eye candy with new vidcards later.
> dave henrie
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> http://www.theuspits.com
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--
Remember a voodoo3 will not run either LFS or NOLF2 or indeed any of the
newer titles appearing. So there were two more conservative choices I could
have made: upgrade the entire system along with a midrange videocard, say
the 8500, or get a 8500 alone for now.
But I was really attracted to the 9700 on the one hand, and really wanted to
wait for Barton or Hammer on the other, so I made the odd choice of getting
a 9700 alone for now. Was it the best price/performance choice? No, the
9700's price has already dropped 5% from the $320 I paid a couple weeks ago.
Was it a terrible choice? No, the card operates flawlessly, and I'm
enjoying NOLF2 now at 1024x768x32 at a playable framerate. Worst case I've
lost say $30/month over the next 3 months in card depreciation. People who
buy say the NV30 when it premiers will be in the same situation and that's
2months away minimum, so I don't regret the 9700 purchase at all.
For the cpu+mobo+ram upgrade I'd like to wait for barton or hammer, but it
looks like they are 6months away, so I'll probably need an intermediate
upgrade before xmas.
> Thus, would have been better using that old V3 card with a super fast cpu,
> then going for the card. The benefit of that besides a better system, the
> vid card will be ? that price next year..
As a general rule I agree that CPU performance outweighs the need for a
faster vid card *when in doubt*, in this case he needed a new card not
only because his old one was slow, the V3 is 4 years old by now, but
because it won't run the games he wants to play *at all*, now he can at
least run them with some of the gfx options turned down
If he had gone for the faster MoBo/CPU he still wouldn't have been able
to run the games that won't run on the V3 because of the 16 MB memory
limit and his "old" games probably wouldn't have run much faster as an
Athlon 700 is fast enough to make the V3 the bottleneck in his system
As for the money argument, the new MoBo/CPU would also be half price
next year
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> Remember a voodoo3 will not run either LFS or NOLF2 or indeed any of
the
> newer titles appearing. So there were two more conservative choices I
could
> have made: upgrade the entire system along with a midrange videocard, say
> the 8500, or get a 8500 alone for now.
> But I was really attracted to the 9700 on the one hand, and really wanted
to
> wait for Barton or Hammer on the other, so I made the odd choice of
getting
> a 9700 alone for now. Was it the best price/performance choice? No, the
> 9700's price has already dropped 5% from the $320 I paid a couple weeks
ago.
> Was it a terrible choice? No, the card operates flawlessly, and I'm
> enjoying NOLF2 now at 1024x768x32 at a playable framerate. Worst case
I've
> lost say $30/month over the next 3 months in card depreciation. People
who
> buy say the NV30 when it premiers will be in the same situation and that's
> 2months away minimum, so I don't regret the 9700 purchase at all.
> For the cpu+mobo+ram upgrade I'd like to wait for barton or hammer, but it
> looks like they are 6months away, so I'll probably need an intermediate
> upgrade before xmas.
> Gotcha, I did not know that the V3 wouldn't run today's games. I still have
> one, but I don't currently use it. I apologize for coming across as
> slamming you for selecting what I have read is a really good card. Since
> you obviously considered your options, I hope you can accept my apologies.
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--