are any of you are/ or were real racing drivers, engineers etc ?
i was thinking the other day too, has stirling moss, or any other
famous 60's drivers ever tried gpl ?
would be cool to see what they thougt, or ?
cheers
Rich
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LOL!!!!! Nice one, Dave. ;-)
David G Fisher
sorry if I offended anyone *** CPR haters...if you would like, I
wouldn't mind hearing the reasons you find CPR to be terrible in the physics
department...maybe I missed something important.
JB
>> are any of you are/ or were real racing drivers, engineers etc ?
>> i was thinking the other day too, has stirling moss, or any other
>> famous 60's drivers ever tried gpl ?
>> would be cool to see what they thougt, or ?
>> cheers
>> Rich
| Jackie Stewart tried it and said in a radio interview that it wasn't
| realistic. He said the real cars had much more grip, and were more stable.
| David G Fisher
I feel a group hug coming on.
<fx: conceals switchblade up sleeve>
Andrew "more power Igor" McP
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>> The GPL basher is back trying again
>To be fair, he's not a GPL-basher. DGF just dislikes what he perceives to
>be the GPL brainwashing of this newsgroup. I think he works on the
>principle that by unashamedly trolling he can keep some of us too busy
>arguing with him to actually drive GPL. In fact if you look at it that way
>he's a wannabe therapist, not a troll. He's trying to break the cycle of
>***ion and promote an overall sense of wellbeing within the online
>community.
Rafe Mc
>sorry if I offended anyone *** CPR haters...if you would like, I
>wouldn't mind hearing the reasons you find CPR to be terrible in the physics
>department...maybe I missed something important.
>JB
>> That brings up a couple of problems. How does a real race driver who
>>probably has never used a computer racing sim compare reality with
>>simulation? If you find a 60's driver who has regularly used sims, you
>most
>>likely would get a different review than from a driver who shys away from
>>'games.'
>> I believe Jackie Stewart did comment on it once but the context of his
>>comments made it clear he was a neophyte when it came to Simming. So any
>>comments he made would be colored by his lack of knowledge in general of
>the
>>computer simulation arena.
>> Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Kevin Harvick are two youngsters on the Nascar
>>circuit and they have both raced online extensively. They both have
>>commented on N4's realism(N4 is the equivilant of a child of GPL) However,
>>there too you must take that with a grain of salt as both were employed by
>>Papyrus as experts.
>> Finally we only have to look at Cart Precision Racing which was
>proclaimed
>>as the most real and most precise Cart sim ever...it wasn't but the checks
>>Bobby Rahal and Mark Blundell cashed most certainly were.
>>dave henrie
>>> ok i gotta convince my uncle that gpl is realistic , i'm looking for
>>> someone to tell me it is.
>>> are any of you are/ or were real racing drivers, engineers etc ?
>>> i was thinking the other day too, has stirling moss, or any other
>>> famous 60's drivers ever tried gpl ?
>>> would be cool to see what they thougt, or ?
>>> cheers
>>> Rich
I would certainly hope that's true. Looking at video of the era, that statement can't be
too far off.
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Mike
> >> The GPL basher is back trying again
> >To be fair, he's not a GPL-basher. DGF just dislikes what he perceives to
> >be the GPL brainwashing of this newsgroup. I think he works on the
> >principle that by unashamedly trolling he can keep some of us too busy
> >arguing with him to actually drive GPL. In fact if you look at it that
way
> >he's a wannabe therapist, not a troll. He's trying to break the cycle of
> >***ion and promote an overall sense of wellbeing within the online
> >community.
> That's right. You should only play any sim for a maximum of 6 months
> and then move on. It's the only way to get the most out of car racing
> and, as an additional benefit, prevents any kind of over-fixation which
> could lead to an unhealthy interest or even pleasure.
> --
> Peter Ives
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> If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me
> GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -17.06
In any case, it's been said many times before that the lack of true
force-feedback (on the body, not just via the wheel) leads to a feeling of
"driving on ice", even though the actual grip levels being modelled are far
higher than that.
Normally when driving you will use the "seat of the pants" to determine
whether the car is sliding, whereas in GPL you have to use your eyes and
ears, which is a completely new skill to learn.
That's why computer simulations will *never* come close to feeling like
driving a real car, until we are sitting in simulators that can pitch and
yaw etc. to give the impression of G-forces acting on the body.
I saw a great video that Jimmi Bo put together which was a mix of real
footage of the '67 cars and GPL: I was amazed how similar the original cars
were to the "real thing" (or is it the other way round? ;-) ).
You can really see the cars moving a long way on their suspension, just as
in GPL, and there was also a Honda going into a spin in a very familar
fashion!
I really think it's the lack of G-forces that makes GPL seem so different to
the real thing: but the funny thing is, the more you play, the more you can
"sense" what the car is doing, and the more realistic it seems.
I think this is true of many computer racing simulations: you need to get
"into the game" before you can really appreciate what's going on.
If you never manage to enter a corner at approximately the right speed,
you're never going to stand a change of making the necessary corrections to
get round it on the limit, and consequently you can't "feel" the edge of the
envelope, as it were.
When I first started playing GPL the cars seemed to have hardly any grip at
all, but now they feel much easier to control, as long as I'm not using an
"alien" setup!
Oh, and as long as I'm not trying for a PB at the 'Ring - that track is a
monster!
> I would certainly hope that's true. Looking at video of the era, that
statement can't be
> too far off.
> --
> Mark Jeangerard
> > Jackie Stewart tried it and said in a radio interview that it wasn't
> > realistic. He said the real cars had much more grip, and were more
stable.
> > David G Fisher
Is that earth months? :)
'Today, I are mostly playing... GPL.'
BTW the statement below was purely tongue-in-cheek, based upon other
statements that I have read elsewhere in this ng.
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Peter Ives
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I have to agree with Jackie Stewart on this. Don't get me wrong.....I LOVE
GPL! It's my favorite sim of all time.
I have noticed though that the cars do seem to "skate" like they are on
water at ice at times and the cars do seem to lose control at low speeds
(35-60 mph) just like at high speeds at times. The rear ends of the cars
seem to lose grip easily making it easy to slide around turns at times when
they should actually just spin out or begin to regain grip at certain points
in a turn and slow the car down because of the sudden grip like in real
life. You get the effect that the rear end only is on ice in GPL during this
situation. It's just too easy to slide the rear end around to make a turn in
GPL.
You should also lose speed in turns when the front end pushes. Making a turn
smooth and not sliding tires much (especially the front end "push") should
always be the fastest way around any corner because you aren't scrubbing off
speed with friction. Of course you do want to hear a little squeal from the
tires from taking them to the edge, just not a complete slide or whip
around. This is true of any race car on asphalt. On dirt it's a totally
different story but of course there aren't any dirt tracks in GPL.
Of course I haven't driven a real '67 legend car so I probably have no idea
what I'm talking about.
> David G Fisher
> > ok i gotta convince my uncle that gpl is realistic , i'm looking for
> > someone to tell me it is.
> > are any of you are/ or were real racing drivers, engineers etc ?
> > i was thinking the other day too, has stirling moss, or any other
> > famous 60's drivers ever tried gpl ?
> > would be cool to see what they thougt, or ?
> > cheers
> > Rich
