rec.autos.simulators

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 07 May 2000 04:00:00

Yes...I readily admit that the way in which penned my reaction was rather
heavy. Sorry about that.
However, I still find it difficult to come to grips with the fact that a
mature *** (which I assume the chap is) cannot decide which car to buy for
himself. Even if the decison comes down to the colour, or mpg, or power
difference, or warranty or whatever. Amazing!

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> Whoa . . . bit over-the-top there, Bruce. What's wrong with asking for
> input from a (possibly) knowledgeable crowd? The fellow asks for
> "[s]tories, good or bad, things to watch out for, etc." . . . Although
some
> might question the relevancy of the query to this particular newsgroup
> community, I'd say one of the good things *about* community, broadly
> speaking, is the variety of opinions one might get--some of which may even
> be helpful.

> --DK

> > I cannot believe that you cannot make a decision on this yourself.
> > You have stated that you've driven them, have had them checked, have
read
> up
> > on their good and bad points and yet you _still_ cannot arrive at a
> > decision!

> > What is it that you are looking for....someone else to take the blame if
> you
> > end up not liking the car?
> > What on earth do you do when it comes to other decision-making
situations
> > regarding major expense?

> > Heavens above........you've got all the input....now decide! Even if
it's
> > only on which colour you prefer, make the decision yourself, man!

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

by **David Kar** » Sun, 07 May 2000 04:00:00

Personally, I forego all the cars listed for a nice early 60's Alfa. Why
peeps favor new cars when such character can be had for less money (tho' for
more work)--that's my pet peev.

Steven! Reconsider!

=:^{>
--DK

> Yes...I readily admit that the way in which penned my reaction was rather
> heavy. Sorry about that.
> However, I still find it difficult to come to grips with the fact that a
> mature *** (which I assume the chap is) cannot decide which car to buy
for
> himself. Even if the decison comes down to the colour, or mpg, or power
> difference, or warranty or whatever. Amazing!

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > Whoa . . . bit over-the-top there, Bruce. What's wrong with asking for
> > input from a (possibly) knowledgeable crowd? The fellow asks for
> > "[s]tories, good or bad, things to watch out for, etc." . . . Although
> some
> > might question the relevancy of the query to this particular newsgroup
> > community, I'd say one of the good things *about* community, broadly
> > speaking, is the variety of opinions one might get--some of which may
even
> > be helpful.

> > --DK

> > > I cannot believe that you cannot make a decision on this yourself.
> > > You have stated that you've driven them, have had them checked, have
> read
> > up
> > > on their good and bad points and yet you _still_ cannot arrive at a
> > > decision!

> > > What is it that you are looking for....someone else to take the blame
if
> > you
> > > end up not liking the car?
> > > What on earth do you do when it comes to other decision-making
> situations
> > > regarding major expense?

> > > Heavens above........you've got all the input....now decide! Even if
> it's
> > > only on which colour you prefer, make the decision yourself, man!

> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------

by **Gary Wample** » Tue, 09 May 2000 04:00:00

Heck, I wasn't going to respond, but someone's gotta stick up for the Z!
I've got a '96 Z (2nd owner) and love it. IMO there's not much out there
that's got it's style.

by **snak..** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

Let's see, that Impreza $20K CDN, which converts to what, around $13-
$14K US? If I had that kind of money, I'd be looking around at used
4th generation Camaro Z28's...you could probably get a nice '95 or '96
model for that price. Not necessarily the most reliable, the most well-
made, the smoothest, best on wet roads, and definitely not economical,
but they're FAST. Simply FAST. Only one of those cars that could even
think of*** with a Z28 would be that Impreza, and only because of
the AWD, so you can launch harder and better on low-traction surfaces.
It'd be smoke in the rearview after about a hundred feet though. No
real reason to buy one aside from the fun factor and the speed - they
pretty much suck for anything else (back seat is small, economy is
generally average except for 6-speed models on the freeway, 25 MPG!)
but who cares when the only stock cars that can beat you are things
like Porsches, Vettes, Vipers, and modified Mustangs, older F-bodies,
and heavily modified imports like the Civic, Integra, Impreza, etc...

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by **Anssi Lehtine** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

[Camaro Z28]

Yeah, IN A STRAIGHT LINE. Judging from what the original choices were,
the original poster wants something that can actually make a corner.

--
Anssi

by **Steven Crook-Dawkin** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

The key difference is that the Mazda will never, ever, need a new
A/C compressor - the components they use are incredibly high
quality.

BTW - Why would a race car require an Air
Conditioning compressor? (I apologise in advance if A/C stands
fro something other then "Air Conditioning".)

--
Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.

by **Brett C. Camma** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 09 May 2000 14:10:43 +0100, Steven Crook-Dawkins

>> I was thinking about a Mazda
>> RX-7 untill I did that... (an we race one, but $1200.00 for a new A/C
>> compressor? Forget it!)

>The key difference is that the Mazda will never, ever, need a new
>A/C compressor - the components they use are incredibly high
>quality.

>BTW - Why would a race car require an Air
>Conditioning compressor? (I apologise in advance if A/C stands
>fro something other then "Air Conditioning".)

I was looking for a nice, sporty, affordable car for my wife to drive.
The logic was, "Well, considering we have all these connections in the
Mazda racing community, we probably ought to look into an old RX-7.
We could probably get a terrific deal on one with some minor problem
and fix it cheaply."

I don't discount that most componentry is of high quality, but I'm
talking about a 15+ year old sports car here and, believe it or not,
they get used and abused and important stuff wears out. Everything
eventually wears out, no matter how high the quality.

One thing about S. Florida. If a car doesn't have functioning A/C,
it's not worth *anything* for resale.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

by **Kirk Lan** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

Easy way to make corners...stomp the gas and hold the wheel where you hope
to go =)

Integras and AWD Eclipses I can see outhandling an F-body, but in stock form
both are so underpowered compared to a Z28 it's not even funny or worth
trying, and the day that showroom-stock Civics can beat showroom-stock
Camaros I will kill myself. IMO, almost all Japanese cars SUCK. They have
NO personality, not to mention a nice little thing called low-end torque
that comes from displacement and only displacement. There are a few that
are cool, like turbo 300ZX's, RX7s, NSX's (man! lotta Xs!!!), and those
Imprezas they run in the rallies, but the vast majority of them are just
lame. And the day that Vipers, Vettes, and 911s get down into the F-Body
price range, I will buy one =)

There simply isn't a faster stock car in that price range in any way, shape,
or form. Normally more speed equals more money but in the case of the
Camaro is more speed for not much more money.

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652
BRT #187

"Yeah you won't find me
I'm going MIA
Tonight I'm leaving
Going MIA
Getting lost in you again
Is better than being known"
-Foo Fighters, "MIA"

> [Camaro Z28]

> > but who cares when the only stock cars that can beat you are things
> > like Porsches, Vettes, Vipers, and modified Mustangs, older F-bodies,
> > and heavily modified imports like the Civic, Integra, Impreza, etc...

> Yeah, IN A STRAIGHT LINE. Judging from what the original choices were,
> the original poster wants something that can actually make a corner.

> --
> Anssi

by **John Wallac** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:01 -0700, "Steven***son"

>1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS, 5 speed, fully loaded. $20K

Impreza without a doubt. The Integra is also pretty nice, but utterly
outclasses (in driving terms) by the Impreza. The Subaru also benefits
from good build, reliability etc. I found it to be a bit "plasticky"
which I could have lived without, but a joyous four hour drive up to
the highlands of Scotland demonstrated it's benefits. Here the main
roads are two lane (one each way), so overtaking endless trucks,
caravans and pensioners is mandatory. The Subaru was awesome in that
regard, pulling strongly in any gear. Once in the highlands the roads
are tight, twisty and bumpy, and again the power delivery, handling
and roadholding were exceptional.

I'd definitely go for another.

Cheers!
John

by **Stephen Barnet** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

Don't be stupid, get the Subaru.
Steve

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