rec.autos.simulators

by **Bandi** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

where is gunslinger's site so i can get sp3?

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by **Roderick Pommie** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

no problem... wasn't looking at things from his point of view. i'll
just download the thing, no harm done, appreciate your work James. i look
forward to driving with your patch...

rod...

> > how is that service pack illegal? it's available for download. i'm
not
> > asking anyone to sell it to me for a prophet. i just don't have the
> > bandwidth sit there and download all those files.

> > rod...

> Ummmmm.....let me try & help here. Scroll to the bottom of his page, and
read
> with me the following:

> Techware Motorsports is owned by Techware Computer
Services.
> Techware Computer Services is owned and operated by James
> Wohlever.
> All images, data, ideas, and html are ? 1999 James Wohlever and
other
> respective owners.
> No data may be copied or distrubuted without express written permission of
the
> authors. All Rights Reserved.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> What point are you unclear on? I believe he just denied permission, as
well.
> I've got a 56K dial-up myself, but if you want the SP3 bad enough it's
well
> worth the effort. Try getting it with Go!Zilla (http://www.gozilla.com) &
> you'll be all set. Hope this helps you some.

> --
> Chuck Kandler #70
> ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net
> K&S Racing
> http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
> The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

by **David Kar** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Perhaps if users asked James' permission to download and copy?

--DK

> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:04:55 -0600, "Roderick Pommier"

> > could someone burn SP3 to a CD for me? i'll send you the CD... let
me
> >know...

> No.. For one it is illegal.

> - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever

> Techware Motorsports
> http://techware.gtinsider.com

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by **James Wohlev** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:58:08 -0600, "David Karr"

>Perhaps if users asked James' permission to download and copy?

..... ahhhhhh ...... Gee....... hmmmmmm....

- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever

Techware Motorsports
http://techware.gtinsider.com

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by **Chuck Kandle** » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hi Ron

I'm not really sure why myself, but as I look at it, it's none of my
business. Decency would dictate abiding by the author's wishes regarding
his works, whether we agree with him or not. To ignore author's wishes
only serves to decrease, in the long run, the amount of add-ons that become
available to the general public. Or we end up with pay-for-download
crappola like Racelane, but I ain't goin there. :-(

I can also sympathize with the plight of our non-US internet users and
their by-the-minute charges for net access. That must really bite!
However, programs such as Go!Zilla take that extra charge away. Just
download when your are online in the normal course of events. That's the
only way to go! At 56K, that's how I handle my large downloads myself.

> You may be right Chuck, and James is perfectly within his rights to ask
> for it not to be passed out on CD, but i can't understand why...
> James has obviously put a lot of work into this package, but it has
> been released as freeware, so what possible harm could it do to get
> somone to put it on CD and send it to another sim enthusiast.
> It is not as if the guys who asked for a fellow sim racer to transfer
> it on to CD and post it to them are denying income to James, they are
> simple getting exactly what they can't download, in a more feasible and
> sensible manner.!!
> If James had of released this package as shareware, as on a "you want
> it, you pay for it" basis, then i can understand him not wanting it to
> be transferred like this, but to disallow guys who have a slow modem
> link, or have to pay by the minute for internet & phone access, to
> being able to obtain this package from a CD, seems totally strange,
> IMO..
> What am i missing here. ??
> It seems that the package is only going to be feasible to you guys that
> don't need to pay by the minute for internet access, which i can not
> understand at all..
> I am sorry, but i agree with the couple of guys that showed enough
> community spirit to offer burning it on to a CD and passing it on to
> the guys who have SLOW "Pay by the minute" internet access..
> I would not agree with that statement at all, if James was asking for
> money for his work, but to offer it as freeware, available for
> downloading to anyone that can afford to download it, but to not allow
> anyone to pass it on to others through a CD, seems totally strange (for
> want of a better word)..
> Incidentally, i don't have SCGT, so i have no interest in obtaining
> this package anyway, but it still seems strange to me, that James will
> not allow the distribution of this package by the most feasible means
> possible to the guys who would like to use it..
> However, if that is James wishes, then it should be abided by...
> I know if i had SCGT, i would not download or use this package, because
> of this restriction that James has put on it, and "Yes" i know it is
> his right to ask that, but as i said, i can't understand why..
> "Yes", i pay by the minute for phone & internet access...
> Sometimes i think you Americans should look at the rest of the world
> and realise that the internet and phone company's are not the nirvana
> you all seem to enjoy and take for granted so much...

> Cheers,
> Ron

> > > how is that service pack illegal? it's available for download.
> i'm not
> > > asking anyone to sell it to me for a prophet. i just don't have
> the
> > > bandwidth sit there and download all those files.

> > > rod...

> > Ummmmm.....let me try & help here. Scroll to the bottom of his page,
> and read
> > with me the following:

> > Techware Motorsports is owned by Techware Computer
> Services.
> > Techware Computer Services is owned and operated by
> James
> > Wohlever.
> > All images, data, ideas, and html are ? 1999 James Wohlever
> and other
> > respective owners.
> > No data may be copied or distrubuted without express written
> permission of the
> > authors. All Rights Reserved.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > What point are you unclear on? I believe he just denied permission,
> as well.
> > I've got a 56K dial-up myself, but if you want the SP3 bad enough
> it's well
> > worth the effort. Try getting it with Go!Zilla
> (http://www.gozilla.com) &
> > you'll be all set. Hope this helps you some.

> > --
> > Chuck Kandler #70
> > ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net
> > K&S Racing
> > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
> > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

--
Chuck Kandler #70
ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

by **Chuck Kandle** » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> Methinks you're missing the point to some extent here. If PC Gamer
> tried to distribute your SP3 patch without your permission, I agree
> that you would DEFINITELY have a gripe, but in this context, it's
> somewhat ridiculous to split hairs over the issue of "distribution" via
> CD to a single user.

Hi John

From a legal standpoint, I think he's required to defend his copyright all
the time. I don't think he can differentiate between the two. But then
again, I'm only a lowly auto mechanic. We got any legal eagles out there
for a ruling on this? LOL

--
Chuck Kandler #70
ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

by **Steve Ferguso** » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

: From a legal standpoint, I think he's required to defend his copyright all
: the time. I don't think he can differentiate between the two. But then
: again, I'm only a lowly auto mechanic. We got any legal eagles out there
: for a ruling on this? LOL

Well the question of defending copyright is clear cut. Did someone copy
your work? Yes? Did they have your express permission? No? then they
have violated your copyright. However, it is also within his rights to
expressly permit the copying and distribution of his work, and also
whatever terms and conditions he wishes.

Stephen

by **Steve Ferguso** » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

: his web site. Since it is his creation. And if he did file ANY sort of
: copywrite notice...then he has full control of it's release. and if the

You don't need to file a copyright. You just need to identify your
material as copyrighted. All original work is inherently copyrighted.

Just for the sake of argument (devil's advocate etc), are all the pretty
images of the cars on James web site his own photos? If so, he has
talent. If not, does he have the permission of the original photographers
to publish them on his web site? :)

Stephen

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