rec.autos.simulators

by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Hello,

I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.

During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the right place
anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed Shift-R. Still
the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.

I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the wheel
centered to about 10 o'clock.

Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.

I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when my
system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.

Have anyone else experienced this ?

By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks now, this
game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)

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by **Ian Parke** » Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Its happened to me about 4 times now, it seems to happen after a heavy
impact that is causing a high load on the CPU. It seems that the processor
load is preventing the wheel being read and because it uses an optical pot
it see's the centre in a different place.
If you unplug the power from the wheel and then plug it back in the centre
will be re-found, this can sometimes be done when still in a game but may
cause the return to centre to switch back on.
Its the wheel calibration that changes not GPL so don't try to recalibrate
from within the game.

--
Ian Parker

UKGPL League
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by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Its happened to me about 4 times now, it seems to happen after a heavy
> impact that is causing a high load on the CPU. It seems that the processor
> load is preventing the wheel being read and because it uses an optical pot
> it see's the centre in a different place.
> If you unplug the power from the wheel and then plug it back in the centre
> will be re-found, this can sometimes be done when still in a game but may
> cause the return to centre to switch back on.
> Its the wheel calibration that changes not GPL so don't try to recalibrate
> from within the game.

Thanks for the info, and yes, it was a heavy chrash :)

> --
> Ian Parker

> UKGPL League
> http://www.btinternet.com/~ukgpl/index.html
> --

> > Hello,

> > I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.

> > During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the right
> place
> > anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed Shift-R.
> Still
> > the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.

> > I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the
> wheel
> > centered to about 10 o'clock.

> > Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.

> > I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when my
> > system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.

> > Have anyone else experienced this ?

> > By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks now,
> this
> > game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove spam when replying

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by **Robin Lor** » Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I had this happen quite often on a saitek (which uses microsoft FF
technology) I used to find that turning the wheel very quick left/right
several times sometimes set the centre back to normal. Bummer when you're in
the middle of a good race though : (

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| Hello,
|
| I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.
|
| During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the right
place
| anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed Shift-R.
Still
| the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.
|
| I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the
wheel
| centered to about 10 o'clock.
|
| Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.
|
| I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when my
| system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.
|
| Have anyone else experienced this ?
|
| By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks now,
this
| game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)
|
| --
| Olav K. Malmin
| remove spam when replying
|

by **Bradley Ye** » Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I find this happens with the Act Labs FF system as well. The wheels center
will be off. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does I just hit F3 and
re-calibrate my wheel.

> > Its happened to me about 4 times now, it seems to happen after a heavy
> > impact that is causing a high load on the CPU. It seems that the
processor
> > load is preventing the wheel being read and because it uses an optical
pot
> > it see's the centre in a different place.
> > If you unplug the power from the wheel and then plug it back in the
centre
> > will be re-found, this can sometimes be done when still in a game but
may
> > cause the return to centre to switch back on.
> > Its the wheel calibration that changes not GPL so don't try to
recalibrate
> > from within the game.

> Thanks for the info, and yes, it was a heavy chrash :)

> > --
> > Ian Parker

> > UKGPL League
> > http://www.btinternet.com/~ukgpl/index.html
> > --

> > > Hello,

> > > I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.

> > > During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the
right
> > place
> > > anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed
Shift-R.
> > Still
> > > the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.

> > > I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the
> > wheel
> > > centered to about 10 o'clock.

> > > Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.

> > > I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when
my
> > > system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.

> > > Have anyone else experienced this ?

> > > By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks
now,
> > this
> > > game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)

> > > --
> > > Olav K. Malmin
> > > remove spam when replying

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
> remove spam when replying

by **Marko Viitane** » Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I've had the same problem for some 3 times and _without_ crash. Actually I
had that problem twice in a row(next lap) at Spa and both times it happened
in the same corner(tight left after Eau Rouge and the following straight).
Don't know if that was just a bad luck or was I pushing CPU so hard in that
corner....Haven't happened in league race yet ;P

Otherwise I'm very satisfied to MSFF and wouldn't change it to LWFF because
then I should buy new pedals for it too...IMO MSFF is best
one-package-wheel/pedals-combination for people who want FF.

>Its happened to me about 4 times now, it seems to happen after a heavy
>impact that is causing a high load on the CPU. It seems that the processor
>load is preventing the wheel being read and because it uses an optical pot
>it see's the centre in a different place.
>If you unplug the power from the wheel and then plug it back in the centre
>will be re-found, this can sometimes be done when still in a game but may
>cause the return to centre to switch back on.
>Its the wheel calibration that changes not GPL so don't try to recalibrate
>from within the game.

>--
>Ian Parker

>UKGPL League
>http://www.btinternet.com/~ukgpl/index.html
>--

>> Hello,

>> I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.

>> During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the right
>place
>> anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed Shift-R.
>Still
>> the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.

>> I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the
>wheel
>> centered to about 10 o'clock.

>> Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.

>> I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when my
>> system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.

>> Have anyone else experienced this ?

>> By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks now,
>this
>> game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)

>> --
>> Olav K. Malmin
>> remove spam when replying

by **Bart Westr** » Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:00:00

<snip>

In theory it's possible to use the LWFF with the MSFF pedals.

I don't know if anyone has done this.

~ Bart Westra

by **Ken Bear** » Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I tend to agree. I had a LWFF that I broke while trying to cure a
terribly irritating squeaking. Well, it's not so much broke as I
haven't a clue how to get all the cables back on properly. At any
rate, the squeaking was so bad that I wasn't going to use it like that
anyways, I could hear it over the engine sound of my Ferrari and it
was distracting - it was that loud.

I tried to find another one without the squeak, as I liked the wheel
and the FF effects, but everywhere I went was out of them, and acted
like they wouldn't be getting any for a while. I found an MSFF that
had an open box, but didn't look at all used, for $100 (vs. $150
regular price) at the Best Buy. Not wanting to be without a wheel
with N3 right around the corner, I figured I'd give it a shot.
Surprisingly, I like it better than the LWFF by a good bit.

You do notice the gears a bit, but even the Logitech wasn't totally
smooth as you still felt the motor "stepping". The buttons for
shifting at first seemed much inferior to the LWFF, but work as well
in actual use. The greater range of movement for the MS wheel is also
nice, and it seems to have a better angle to me. The mounting system
is nicer, as you don't have to lower the chair to avoid hitting the
knees on the center clamp like you do with the clamps (or rather their
knobs) on the LWFF (and about every other wheel mounting system I've
seen). And, the pedals. MUCH better on the MS. The LWFF ones are
adequate, and you get used to them - but when you go to something with
more travel and a better angle, they do seem quite inferior. The
proof, as they say, is in the pudding - and what surprised me was
after tweaking the force adjustments in GPL I was running faster times
with the MSFF in a few hours vs. the ones I'd run with the LWFF after
months of use, and always felt a bit more in control.

I went in thinking I'd still want to get another Logitech when they
came in, but found myself liking the MSFF a lot - and not wanting to
go back.

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>I've had the same problem for some 3 times and _without_ crash.
Actually I
>had that problem twice in a row(next lap) at Spa and both times it
happened
>in the same corner(tight left after Eau Rouge and the following
straight).
>Don't know if that was just a bad luck or was I pushing CPU so hard
in that
>corner....Haven't happened in league race yet ;P

>Otherwise I'm very satisfied to MSFF and wouldn't change it to LWFF
because
>then I should buy new pedals for it too...IMO MSFF is best
>one-package-wheel/pedals-combination for people who want FF.

by **Joel Willstei** » Mon, 04 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>I went in thinking I'd still want to get another Logitech when they
>came in, but found myself liking the MSFF a lot - and not wanting to
>go back.

>--
>Ken's Sig 3.0

I too love my MSFF wheel, but the only thing that still bothers me is
when you have to go opposite lock quickly,the wheel looses all FF effects
for a few seconds,then bangs them in.

Joel Willstein

by **Olav K. Malm** » Tue, 05 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> I've had the same problem for some 3 times and _without_ crash. Actually I
> had that problem twice in a row(next lap) at Spa and both times it happened
> in the same corner(tight left after Eau Rouge and the following straight).
> Don't know if that was just a bad luck or was I pushing CPU so hard in that
> corner....Haven't happened in league race yet ;P

Actually, after I made my first post of this problem I got the problem again
when I was doing some serious opposite locking. That was with GPL 1.2. With
1.1.0.3 I've never had this problem, and I've done some wild saving manouvers
for sure. I hope we will not continue to have this problem after the official
1.2 release.

> Otherwise I'm very satisfied to MSFF and wouldn't change it to LWFF because
> then I should buy new pedals for it too...IMO MSFF is best
> one-package-wheel/pedals-combination for people who want FF.

> >Its happened to me about 4 times now, it seems to happen after a heavy
> >impact that is causing a high load on the CPU. It seems that the processor
> >load is preventing the wheel being read and because it uses an optical pot
> >it see's the centre in a different place.
> >If you unplug the power from the wheel and then plug it back in the centre
> >will be re-found, this can sometimes be done when still in a game but may
> >cause the return to centre to switch back on.
> >Its the wheel calibration that changes not GPL so don't try to recalibrate
> >from within the game.

> >--
> >Ian Parker

> >UKGPL League
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~ukgpl/index.html
> >--

> >> Hello,

> >> I was trying to race a F3 race at brands hatch on VROC yesterday.

> >> During practice i crashed hard and the wheel wouldn't center to the right
> >place
> >> anymore. "Say goodbye to that suspension", i though and pressed Shift-R.
> >Still
> >> the wheel wouldn't center itself at the right place.

> >> I quit the game, and then the auto-centering kicked in, but still the
> >wheel
> >> centered to about 10 o'clock.

> >> Conclusion: The wheel suddenly changed the center point. Really weird.

> >> I've experienced similar problems if i tried to connect the wheel when my
> >> system is on (not a smart thing to do), but this was during gameplay.

> >> Have anyone else experienced this ?

> >> By the way, i'm back from a 10 day holiday, and boy my driving sucks now,
> >this
> >> game is seriously demanding on my timeresources :)

> >> --
> >> Olav K. Malmin
> >> remove spam when replying

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by **Alison Hi** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I haven't tried this, but I have tried to use the MSFF wheel/pedal unit
in combination with CH Pedals. Unfortunately, once the MSFF wheel was
installed (via the sound card game/MIDI port) and working, Windows Game
Controllers wouldn't recognize any other controllers, even though they
were attached to a different controller card (a PDPI L4 on one machine,
a TM ACM on another).

I'd be interested to know if anyone has gotten the MSFF wheel/pedal unit
to operate simultaneously with any other controller devices.

Alison

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by **Joel Willstei** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> >In theory it's possible to use the LWFF with the MSFF pedals.

> >I don't know if anyone has done this.

> I haven't tried this, but I have tried to use the MSFF wheel/pedal unit
> in combination with CH Pedals. Unfortunately, once the MSFF wheel was
> installed (via the sound card game/MIDI port) and working, Windows Game
> Controllers wouldn't recognize any other controllers, even though they
> were attached to a different controller card (a PDPI L4 on one machine,
> a TM ACM on another).

> I'd be interested to know if anyone has gotten the MSFF wheel/pedal unit
> to operate simultaneously with any other controller devices.

> Alison

Alison,

What's wrong with the MSFF pedals. I love mine.

Joel Willstein

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