Maybe we will get Daytona!!!
John McClaren
You sure it's exclusive right for the name and likeness ? If not why is Sega
launching their new Indianapolis arcade-style game for both the arcade and
DreamCast this year ?
Any source better than what you said ? You don't say much thing about the
title. Press release ?
Still, we won't die from not having the Brickyard in Nascar Racing 3 (no big
deal, I doubt it will get profit from the money they spent, even if it helps
on the customer satisfaction).
p.s. : To anybody at Papyrus. I got some words from XYZ beta tester who
said you were under pressure from Sierra to "detune" your game engine for
Nascar Racing 3. Do this and it's the start of your death.
-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Jesse
>Not to be rude, but what do you mean by "detune"? Are you insinuating
they'll
>dummy-down the physics because it's too hard?
>And if you could, ask your source to inquire about CART3 - it's long
overdue,
>damnit!
>Sorry - had to ask.
> Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are
> - Calvin and Hobbes
> Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey
And if you could, ask your source to inquire about CART3 - it's long overdue,
damnit!
Sorry - had to ask.
Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are
- Calvin and Hobbes
Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey
Heck, some of you guys act as if Nascar2 is easy LOL.
Bill / Amish on TEN
You don't see the point here Bill. Im not saying to not include an arcade
mode for the arcade-people (I want one for better sales, more money to
Papyrus). Im saying that they might detune the whole game engine, no
exceptions. If they decide to do this, it's the death of Papyrus. The game
engine is _THERE_. We have the perfect tool for a realistic racing
simulator, but the market is too brain-washed by all the NFS and cie stuff
on the market.
I just hate this we are going in a dead-end here. Hard-core simmers want
more realism, but it doesn't sell well. The gamers can't appreciate taking
their time to learn the techniques of racing a a car.
N2 is easy, sorry. Especially the arcade mode.
-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
>> If the game is as difficult as GPL then you might as well just
>>forget seeing a Nascar Sim from Papy again. Sales as poor as GPL will not cut it
>>for Nascar.
That's very true - a typical NASCAR race is far more about strategy and
tactics than pure driver skill.
- Michael
>>Add the arcade model but dont dumb down
>>the physics.
>I agree with a **choice** of ultra-realism (GPL, etc.) and more relaxed
>realism (Viper Racing). I just think it would be a mistake to put 'physics'
>in the Nascar sim that would make it difficult to drive in a straight line.
Thankfully no NASCAR sim should be as difficult as GPL since stock
cars are so much heavier.
-
"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone
would use it to keep the window open."
-_Dave
> Hmm...I say every simmer sends angry e-mails to Sierra. If Sierra forces Papyrus
> to throw the physics out the window, then I'm no longer buying from
> Sierra/Papyrus.
>>If the game is as difficult as GPL then you might as well just
>>forget seeing a Nascar Sim from Papy again. Sales as poor as
>>GPL will not cut it for Nascar.
>My thoughts exactly.
A group of three radio buttons labelled as follows would allow the user
to select the realism of the physics model
Realism
() Minimum (Arcade)
() Medium
() Maximum (Simulation)
Notice that I avoided the use of the words "Easy" and "Hard". This radio
button group could be followed by another group that allows the user to
specify the damage modem independantly of the "Realism" setting
(something I wish GPL already did).
Damage model
() Off
() Amateur
() Pro
() Realistic
And finally, a way to select the length of the race (again, something
more than what GPL provides):
Race length ___ laps
If they do this, *everyone* will be happy.
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I think Papy kinda sorta blew it (or at least didn't go far enough) in
the race configuration part of GPL.
1) They didn't (as far as I know) give a way for people
to hold online races using the trainer cars.
2) The race length setting would have been better served
if it simply allowed us to specify the number of laps
we want to run.
3) We can't select a lower damage model for longer races.
Along with this would go another damage model that
only allowed the use of Shift-R from your pit stall
(something in between "intermediate" and "pro").
I honestly hope that these issues have been addressed in the upcoming
patch. It would make the sim mmore enjoyable for a broader group of
people. Afterall, that's what Sierra, Papy, and the existing users want.
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Compared to GPL it is VERY easy.
I completely disagree. In fact, most likely the ONLY reason that Tony
George went into a fairly exclusive contract for Indy/IRL is because the IRL
is so poorly received. Nascar has the luxury of allowing non-exclusive
liscenses because it can make more money from having multiple licenses, not
to mention by having many game licenses it doesn't tie itself to a potential
flop. Imagine if NASCAR had made an exclusive agreement with EA and
therefore Nascar Revolution was the only Nascar racing game available.
NASCAR fans would scream ***y *** and not to mention NASCAR gets more
from the licenses when it has tons of games out there to license: N1, N2,
NR99, NascarREvolution, Nascar98, Nascar3/2000, etc.
So no, I do NOT think that even if N3/2000 is as hard as GPL (and it won't
be simply because stock cars are NOT the 1967 GP beasts and are easier to
drive - its all relative..I'd imagine that current F1 or CART cars are
easier to drive than the 67 GP cars) it will sale as few copies as GPL did
simply because of the fanatical fan base that must have seemingly EVER piece
of Nascar merchandise. As for GPL, its a niche game..and I would assume
that both Papyrus and Sierra went into it knowing full well it was NOT going
to top the charts in sales.
Compared to GPL it is VERY easy. Comparing physics engines solely: GPL is
harder. Comparing cars solely: 1967 GP cars are much harder to drive than a
1999 stockcar. Comparing tracks solely: No competition here....GPL's tracks
are orders of maginitude more difficult and challenging than 1999 Nascar,
CART or F1 tracks.
N2 may not be easy per say, but in comparison to GPL it is a much easier
racing game to get a handle on.
