rec.autos.simulators

by **J Becke** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:22:38

Although I say "Crammond Haters" in the title of the posting, perhaps
that should read "Death Eaters", casting an eye towards a certain
children's book...

Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

I would really love to know how many of the people shouting their
mouths off are software developers.

We know NOTHING about the development of GP3 or GP4. For all we know
Hasbro have stuck deadlines and budgets on the project...

Jonathan Beckett

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:33:00

Past history speaks for itself.

-John

> Although I say "Crammond Haters" in the title of the posting, perhaps
> that should read "Death Eaters", casting an eye towards a certain
> children's book...

> Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> I would really love to know how many of the people shouting their
> mouths off are software developers.

> We know NOTHING about the development of GP3 or GP4. For all we know
> Hasbro have stuck deadlines and budgets on the project...

> Jonathan Beckett

> http://www.kafooey.com

by **Gerry Aitke** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:15:47

Hello Mrs Crammond, how is your son Geoffrey? I hear he's learning C
<BG>

> Although I say "Crammond Haters" in the title of the posting, perhaps
> that should read "Death Eaters", casting an eye towards a certain
> children's book...

> Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

I'm under contract, Geoff asked me to knock gp4 so people won't be
disappointed again. :)

I'd say their all punters who paid out hard earned cash for what they
thought would be state of the art...and wasn't. :)

BTW Mrs C, can you tell young Geoffrey it's better to drop frames than
extend time? AND also tell him how much I hated the way the cars in GP3
switched from 3D shapes to 2D sprites when they got two feet in front of
my car! :)

I know GP3 took 20 years to code! I hear GP4 is coming out on the CBM64,
on tape only though :(.

I also hear there's a new brand of bog roll just come out for us sim
racers. It has the code from GP3 printed on it, now when we wipe our
arses we can all think of GC. :)

Gerry

by **Stuart Becktel** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:17:03

When Crammond put his names on a game, he put his name up to any praise or
complaints that the final product gives. The big problem is that the last
game he released was a huge disappointment. It was a disapointment because
it both took a long time and the end results didn't show why it took so
long. Therefore it is not a "bandwagon" it is a response to a issue that
many people argree with.
-Stuart Becktell

> Although I say "Crammond Haters" in the title of the posting, perhaps
> that should read "Death Eaters", casting an eye towards a certain
> children's book...

> Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> I would really love to know how many of the people shouting their
> mouths off are software developers.

> We know NOTHING about the development of GP3 or GP4. For all we know
> Hasbro have stuck deadlines and budgets on the project...

> Jonathan Beckett

> http://www.kafooey.com

by **ymenar** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:29:48

> Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

He's stuck in the past. Not, a "year or two" past, but a DECADE past.
There is more idiosyncrasies in a Geoff Crammond product then 1001 other
games combines. Really, I think everybody once raised an eyebrow, even back
in GP2, about something weird, old and obsolete.

Somehow, we aren't denying that Geoff *was* a great programmer. His
previous lineup speaks for itself, it's very succesful. That doesn't deny
the fact, he's the most lazy programmer I've ever seen.

They could had used that excuse for GP3, but even there there was almost
HALF a decade between Gp2 and Gp3. But after two other products, it's not
that anymore. It's not like Hasbro is holding Geoff back for 3 titles in a
row, especially when they are spouting all that great PR.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:00:57

Yep. I raised both eyebrows myself :) Really loved the cutting edge
"slow everything down to a crawl/screw up the timing" feature of GP2. It
was such a hit, it became an industry standard, eh? <G>

He's made one good sim; World Circuit Racing, IMO.

-John

> > Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> He's stuck in the past. Not, a "year or two" past, but a DECADE past.
> There is more idiosyncrasies in a Geoff Crammond product then 1001 other
> games combines. Really, I think everybody once raised an eyebrow, even
back
> in GP2, about something weird, old and obsolete.

by **David L. Coo** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:06:19

I heard RM/Cobol...

by MP » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:25:17

> > Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> He's stuck in the past. Not, a "year or two" past, but a DECADE past.
> There is more idiosyncrasies in a Geoff Crammond product then 1001 other
> games combines. Really, I think everybody once raised an eyebrow, even back
> in GP2, about something weird, old and obsolete.

Unfortunately, it happens sometimes when people make millions in
royalties. Surely no one can blame Geoff for sitting back and taking it
easy for a few years?

- Michael

by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:21:07

> > > Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> > He's stuck in the past. Not, a "year or two" past, but a DECADE past.
> > There is more idiosyncrasies in a Geoff Crammond product then 1001 other
> > games combines. Really, I think everybody once raised an eyebrow, even
back
> > in GP2, about something weird, old and obsolete.

> Unfortunately, it happens sometimes when people make millions in
> royalties. Surely no one can blame Geoff for sitting back and taking it
> easy for a few years?

Yes - no problem with that - but does he have to carry on producing shit F1
titles while he does it

Doug

by **John Metco** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:26:38

excuse me
he is attending NIGHT CLASSES
for "Internet Protocol : All you need to know and some
you don't"
He is expected to graduate in end2002.

YOu can expect GP5 to have LAN multiplayer by then.

by **ymenar** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:50:15

> Unfortunately, it happens sometimes when people make millions in
> royalties. Surely no one can blame Geoff for sitting back and taking it
> easy for a few years?

Yes, of course :) Nobody here denies the genius of Geoff Crammond, that's
the thing. If he really stopped being a lazy arse, his titles would be
amazing. Amazing as Revs, amazing as the original World Circuit, amazing as
that other game I can't remember but it was some sort of landscaping 3d game
in the 80's.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:02:34

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:50:15 -0500, "ymenard"

>Yes, of course :) Nobody here denies the genius of Geoff Crammond, that's
>the thing. If he really stopped being a lazy arse, his titles would be
>amazing. Amazing as Revs, amazing as the original World Circuit, amazing as
>that other game I can't remember but it was some sort of landscaping 3d game
>in the 80's.

Revs, The Sentinel, Stunt Car Racer, GP1, GP2.. one by one
groundbreaking classics.
GP3 was a disappointing update of GP2 with many of the same flaws GP1
and GP2 had.

Allthough GP3 was groundbraking in another area, I heard the director
of The Matrix got the idea of the slowmotion effect by playing GP3.

Andre

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:17:57

> > Unfortunately, it happens sometimes when people make millions in
> > royalties. Surely no one can blame Geoff for sitting back and taking it
> > easy for a few years?

> Yes, of course :) Nobody here denies the genius of Geoff Crammond, that's
> the thing. If he really stopped being a lazy arse, his titles would be
> amazing. Amazing as Revs, amazing as the original World Circuit, amazing as
> that other game I can't remember but it was some sort of landscaping 3d game
> in the 80's.

Sentinel.

Gerry

by **Revvi** » Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:18:09

And why do the "Crammond can do no wrong" bandwagon feel they have to
publicly defend him. GP1 was a classic no denying it, I was slightly
dissapointed in GP2 but it was still the best out there for a while and then
he released GP3 with all the hype and it was a dog, a dog with fleas, a
rabid dog with fleas, a rabid dog with fleas that spat more fleas. It looked
no more than a minor update to GP2 and when you got deep down in to it you
saw this realyl was the case. EA's series got off to a shaky start but have
gone from strength to strength and spawned a great mod in the form of the GT
cars mod which makes it worth buying F12001 just to play that. Maybe
Crammond can return to his glory days but I hold more faith in EA's series
now for a regular fix of F1 racing knowing I will be able to play the latest
season and expect some decent upgrades in each version from the last.

> Although I say "Crammond Haters" in the title of the posting, perhaps
> that should read "Death Eaters", casting an eye towards a certain
> children's book...

> Why are so many people jumping on the "Bash GP4/Crammond" bandwagon ?

> I would really love to know how many of the people shouting their
> mouths off are software developers.

> We know NOTHING about the development of GP3 or GP4. For all we know
> Hasbro have stuck deadlines and budgets on the project...

> Jonathan Beckett

> http://www.kafooey.com

by **Marc Fraio** » Sat, 02 Mar 2002 03:07:58

I don't hate Crammond. I'd never even heard of the guy until I started
reading this newsgroup. But right now, I drive GPL. I drive it online,
with a league. Exclusively. A new sim that can't at least match
(and jeez, shouldn't it really improve upon?) GPL in that department
is at best uninteresting. And I don't care who the guilty party is,
be it Crammond, Hasbro, the FIA, the FBI, the CIA, the BBC, B.B. King
(Dig It!), or whomever. The bottom line is-- no multiplayer seems
awful lame.

Marc

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